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Bill's 1 Ton TJ Build
Bill3753:
--- Quote from: kirksjeep on January 11, 2011, 03:36:44 AM ---
Pros:
Bullet proof axles
Full width- more stability (also a con see below).
Relatively Cheap to get axles from a JY.
Some write ups, so not starting from scatch.
Cons:
Requires custom front and rear drive shafts
New Rims
New Shocks- stock won't support the extra weight of the axles
Adapting steering and brakes, plus still rear drum unlike an 8.8 swap.
Extra weight- loose the power to weight ratio that makes a Wrangler good off road
Full Width- won't fit on tight trails and will draw more attention from the po-po
Usually for trailered rigs
Will have to buy all the brakets and mounts for the axles
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Some of those I agree with and are exactly why I made this thread. Others are valid points, but don't exactly apply to me 100%. The weight is not a huge issue due to the supercharger. If I have it figured right, the full width will not be much wider then I am now beacuse of the wheel offset I plan to use.
Currently, I'm running a D44 rear and D30 front. Shocks, Steering, and brackets. Those are the big issues you pointed out that I am concerned about as well. All are possible, but will it make it not worth it in the long run? I already would like beadlocks and 35's, but I can get the H1 beadlocks and 37's cheaper. That is also one of the reasons I am starting to lean to the D60.
Another thought is if I build my D30, I am only putting money into it. If I swap, I can part out the D30 and sell the D44 rear. Both of those will help recover some of the cost. I have seen D44's for TJ's go as much as $700-$800 with the locker type that I have installed. That would pay for both the front and rear one tons I found. Selling the 33's with Micky Thompson rims should just about cover the 37's and H1 rims.
I know that is really looking into deep, but just something I thought about.
You do bring up excellent points though.
Flex:
--- Quote from: Bill3753 on January 11, 2011, 03:41:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: Flex on January 11, 2011, 01:46:32 AM ---Bill be sure u turn the knuckles back with this new axle or ur never going to have the correct caster and then u jeep will not track down the road properly.
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That is a concern of mine I don’t know the answer to yet. To be honest, I was hoping being I’m running a small lift and swaping in a HP60 that has a much higher pinion shaft then my LP30 I wouldn’t need much of a pinion angle. This should let me set my caster first the let the pinion angle fall where it is. Time will tell and it probably will not work, but I will not know for sure until I get the D30 pulled and mock the HP60 housing under it.
Do you know what the stock pinion angle and caster is for an HP60? That might let me figure out if I can make it work or not.
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Pinion angle is not an issue, but i can tell u with out any doubt you will have to turn the knuckles back, but lucky for u i know and have all the equipment to do this, as far as stock caster on a HP60 it dosent matter, what matters is when ur all said and done it needs to be between 4-8 degrees
Let me add i deff. think this is the way to go at some point i will have to decide if i going to keep my jeep or build something knew if i keep it its going to get this same swap but with a 14 bolt instead of a 10.5 sterling this allows for more strenght and a narrowed rear which helps when slidding around corners, also ill be doing a 5 inch stretch.
Bill3753:
I was originally looking at the 14 bolt for this. Only reason I said the Sterling was I see them for sale frequently with the fronts as a combo package. They have 35 spline axles and are very stout. About the same as a 14 bolt or Dana 70 really. Additionally, I read somewhere that they have about 2 inches more clearance then the 14 bolt.
That all together had me leaning to the Sterling. If I find a 4.10 14 bolt for the right price, I would probably consider it. It just depends on what is out there when I am ready to buy.
skibum:
A majority of rigs that did the Ultimate Adventure ran the D30 with Chromo Shafts and 37's and none broke.
But im pretty shure none were running a Supercharged 4.0L & thats a lot of tork where talk'in about here Kirk.
Standing next to that thing when the Supercharger spooled up on a hill at Deadfall sounded like it would have twisted up a beefed up D30 with 37" on it. I feel the smallest beefed up axel combo you could run on that SC Jeep is D44's & they still might brake over time & especially if ROCK is behind the wheel ;D Not that there is anything wrong with that driving style tho.
gearhead1985B:
--- Quote from: Bill3753 on January 10, 2011, 05:50:58 PM ---
Dana HP60 Front - Stock w/ 4.10 Gears
Sterling 10.25 Rear - Stock w/ 4.10 Gears (Welded? If I do that I would put a Detroit in it latter on)
Military H1 Double Beadlocks w/ 7†backspacing
Military 37" Goodyears
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what are the specs on the 60 it sounds like a late model combo from a ford f350 and where are you finding the 37's at
--- Quote from: Bill3753 on January 10, 2011, 05:50:58 PM ---
I found a HP60 Kingpin front for $500 with 4.10's. The same guy wants $200 for the matching 4.10 Sterling rear.
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are you willing to strap them to a pallet and hip them to illinios
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