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The Mud Pit => General => Topic started by: Axle on July 30, 2008, 06:09:14 PM
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Not required by the subase instruction or the navy instruction. If you have any trouble with the MA's at the gate telling you to put your doors back on, be respectful and write down thier name and rank. Shoot me a pm and let me know, as I will contact the MA LPO or LCPO so they can conduct training. This is directly from the MA LPO.
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sweet, good find ;) but, are they trying to get us on the side mirror thing as part of that?
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you are required by the state of ct to have one side mirror on. How many of you guys have one when you take your doors off...
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I do! ;D
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you are required by the state of ct to have one side mirror on. How many of you guys have one when you take your doors off...
Yup, drivers side mirror is required even with the doors off. I got one off of ebay brand new for $11 plus shipping. Sometimes Advance or the Zone have them, but it's rare. Bumper to Bumper can also get them.
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is the base cracking down on the doors or the mirrors?
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Some third class MA's have been telling Jeepers to put their doors back on. I myself was told by an MA3 the other day. I politely smiled and said, "Ok." And went on my merry way. I promptly called my contacts at security who got in touch with the MA LPO. He checked the instructions and reported that he will be conducting training so we stop getting hassled. As far as the mirrors go though, sorry, no help there. Gotta have at least the drivers.
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Gotta have at least the drivers.
Ahhh, valuable knowledge...
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It doesnt have to be the drivers side. State law says it can be either or. You have to have two review mirrors one being the windshield mirror.
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Actually, it is 2 rear views, and one has to be the driver's side mirror. Think of trucks and cargo vans with no rear window. Then it must be 2 sides. The driver side mirror is mandatory, and one other, either passenger side or windshield. (I was born, raised, and got my liscence in CT)
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Sandbox is right. It is Driver's side and either the Pass or the window. I can't believe that they started doing that. That's retarded!
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I'm pretty sure it was just some junior guys flexing their newly found positional authority, and invoking their OFP (own f***ing program).
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So last night around 1745 I was coming on base when the seaman MA stopped me and asked....Where my doors were. To which I replied, ther're not required. It was actually pretty funny watching him get spun up because I was questioning his knowledge and authority. To make a long story short I wound up down at the cop shop, and the DoD civillian SGT couldn't find the instruction that required Jeep doors. He did tell me it was an OPNAVINST, the same one that covered motorcycles and it had just changed about 4 weeks ago.
So OPNAVINST 5100.12H from 28 June 2008 says NOTHING about doors required on vehicles. I'm calling legal today to find out what the current DoD and Navy traffic instructions are so we are citing the correct references, but I think we are going to win this one, untill the make a subase rule change.
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Good deal!
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Results of my phone calls.
-----Original Message-----
From: Armstrong, Brenda A. CDR RLSO MIDLANT DET GROTON
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 7:39
To: Duran, Joshua STS1 NAVSUBSCOL, N33A1 TRAINER INSTRS
Subject: FW: TRAFFIC REGS
STS1 Doehring, per our discussion. BAA
-----Original Message-----
From: Stevens, Chris CIV SUBASE
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:29
To: Armstrong, Brenda A. CDR RLSO MIDLANT DET GROTON
Cc: Pheasant, Scott A LT Subase NWLN, Security; McQuain, Cecil F MACS CNRMA, Security; Greener, Jerry E MACS SUBASE New London, N35
Subject: FW: TRAFFIC REGS
CDR, researched and found nothing that would stop anyone from coming aboard the base without doors on their vehicle. I will ensure that this gets out to our personnel. Hope this helps.
Maj
Major Chris A. Stevens
Precinct Commander
SUBASE Police Department
Box 38, Groton CT 06349
WP: 860 694-3533
DSN: 694-3533
CP: 860 625-9922
chris.stevens@navy.mil
-----Original Message-----
From: Armstrong, Brenda A. CDR RLSO MIDLANT DET GROTON
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 13:40
To: Pheasant, Scott A LT Subase NWLN, Security
Cc: Stevens, Chris CIV SUBASE
Subject: TRAFFIC REGS
Lt Pheasant,
Could you please help me with a traffic issue? I'm standing in for the SUBASE SJA at the moment.
I got a call from a sailor who was told that he could not drive his jeep on base without the doors. When he asked about what regulation prohibited this, the police officer did not know. The petty officer then asked the shift supervisor and was told that it was a new regulation, but the supervisor could not find it or give a citation to it. I could not find this rule either, although I think doors are a good idea.
Is there a new rule (or old rule) on this issue? Thanks. BAA
B. A. ARMSTRONG
CDR, JAGC, USN
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Dude, you rock! off come the doors of the taco! (well, just as soon as i can re-locate mirrors)
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Well, reading what that CDR wrote, "I could not find this rule either, although I think doors are a good idea." I'm sure it may be brought up in future instruction revisions. In that case, hopefully someone in the planning process of said revision will be smart enough to look up while their soft top is on and read the WARNING about the doors and top. Elemental protection ONLY! However, we are part of the worlds finest Navy, so we'll probably end up having to put them on at some point. Enjoy it while it lasts!
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Of course he's going to say that it's "a good idea" just to cover his own... But there are no Laws that I know of that would prohibit a Jeep or any other vehicle with removable doors from driving either on or off base. Now that does not include driving a vehicle such as Capts' ZJ, the Taco, or Dauntless' K5, which the doors are part of the structural integrity, which I do not believe would be covered in the event they were actually stopped. This is a battle that we CAN win. However, the maturity level has correspond to what we are trying to accomplish... by all the non-jeepers removing their doors, could definitely hurt more than help. Just my .02 of course but I would recommend that all non-jeepers keep their doors on for right now until this blows over.
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according to state law any vehicle can remove the doors as long as the rear view laws are abided by. The only regulation comes from the insurance company with a vehicle that has side impact airbags. Well dont have those....
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Not going to quote the laws, but I know that they make tube doors for XJ's, so if I can take off my doors and put on tube doors, I guess that is what I will have. (Once I can afford tube doors, that is...)
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I've seen the XJ tube doors and they are really cool. I'd have to work on frame stiffeners and things like that before I try removing any doors. I haven't read any of the CT laws yet, but in Michigan you can remove the doors on any vehicle as long as it has a 2" lip or step down to the floor from the side so that things can't roll out the doors if they are on the floor. A friend of mine has a 78 Bronco and got a ticket for no doors because there is no lip. He actually lost a coffee mug that had rolled under the seat when he went around a corner and the mug went right out the door. Here's a pic of my friend Tim and his ZJ with the doors he fabbed himself.
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/sandvipr/JeepProject1263.jpg)
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Nice! I like the stretched wheel base.
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I wouldn't run w/o doors, 4xinnovations makes nice ones for my taco w/ a set of quick-release hinges for quick swaps. someday, after the rear bumper, x-fer case, SAS, . . .