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Title: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 09, 2009, 08:22:37 PM
ok so my right rear fender flare keeps coming off and now i can't get the bad boy to stay on. are extended ones worth the money? or should i just invest in some gorrila glue or something along those lines?
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 09, 2009, 10:36:16 PM
take them all out, sawzall all 4 fenders and run 32s. forget the lift.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 09, 2009, 10:39:00 PM
i think that'll look stupid tho haha. no cutting yet.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 09, 2009, 10:40:10 PM
i think that'll look stupid tho haha. no cutting yet.

stupid look??  it'll match the driver
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 09, 2009, 10:47:31 PM
Low Cog look lol, screw it just run 35s and rip out your entire fender
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 09, 2009, 10:49:01 PM
im not stupid haha. but how does the cutting work on the rear fenders?
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 09, 2009, 10:54:25 PM
you get a high tpi count saws all blade and you cut vertical slits about an inch or so apart all along the fender up to about were the lip ends and then you fold them in. Just have to be careful not to cut the welds i guess. Search jeepforum.com, there are tons of DIYs. I'm going to do this eventually.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 09, 2009, 11:14:38 PM
hm... think i might go buy gorilla glue for the time being haha.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 10, 2009, 12:14:34 AM
ok so i know im going to catch alot of crap for this 1........ there is a very small screw that holds the fender flare on in the back... it came off and i tightened it back up... problem solved.  ;D
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 10, 2009, 02:01:06 AM
ok so i know im going to catch alot of crap for this 1........ there is a very small screw that holds the fender flare on in the back... it came off and i tightened it back up... problem solved.  ;D

Nah no crap, we've come to expect this sort of thing from you
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 10, 2009, 02:10:28 AM
the plastic around the screw is abit bent up though.... so i may still end up gorilla gluing the entire hole around the screw shut just incase  ;D
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 10, 2009, 03:01:05 AM
ok so i know im going to catch alot of crap for this 1........ there is a very small screw that holds the fender flare on in the back... it came off and i tightened it back up... problem solved.  ;D

Nah no crap, we've come to expect this sort of thing from you

That's how much experience you have being 12.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 10, 2009, 04:00:23 AM
live and learn  ;D
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: kirksjeep on July 10, 2009, 04:04:09 AM
Are you ripping these off becuase of your sagging springs and 235's?  If so, you must have the light duty springs.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 10, 2009, 04:06:19 AM
no, i ripped them off when i got stuck b4 joining the club and hitting that tree. and i think it had bent one of them but i think it was just the crappy shop i took it to.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 10, 2009, 05:37:06 AM
Are you ripping these off becuase of your sagging springs and 235's?  If so, you must have the light duty springs.

He has the "gay duty" springs
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 10, 2009, 02:03:11 PM
Are you ripping these off becuase of your sagging springs and 235's?  If so, you must have the light duty springs.

He has the "gay duty" springs

What does gay duty have to do with saggy springs??








































































































































If anything I'd have to say they were like the last pair of boobies he ever saw...SAGGY!!
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: rocket on July 10, 2009, 03:21:39 PM
Don't buy new plastic flares, they just get ripped off by trees, rocks, etc. 
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 10, 2009, 04:51:11 PM
nope. i fixed the problem. all good now
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: Gastank on July 12, 2009, 11:58:37 PM
Pretty cool way to gain some much needed clearance on an XJ....

http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/wheels/154_0807_cheap_jeep_cherokee_xj_tire_clearance/index.html

Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 13, 2009, 01:09:00 AM
Pretty cool way to gain some much needed clearance on an XJ....

http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/wheels/154_0807_cheap_jeep_cherokee_xj_tire_clearance/index.html



Doug that's the way to do it!!
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: Gastank on July 13, 2009, 12:57:56 PM
And Cheeeeeaaaapppppp!!!! Which is something that we all like!
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 13, 2009, 09:42:13 PM
actually we were talking about that before and i guess it couldn't be a bad idea but paul are you that good with a grinder? haha i don't wanna be done and have them look like crap, thats why i ended up not doing that. but if u think u  can do it i'll try and find some tj flares. but should i do all rear ones like that said?
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 14, 2009, 01:14:36 PM
actually we were talking about that before and i guess it couldn't be a bad idea but paul are you that good with a grinder? haha i don't wanna be done and have them look like crap, thats why i ended up not doing that. but if u think u  can do it i'll try and find some tj flares. but should i do all rear ones like that said?

as long as you don't buy an 18 pack.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: kirksjeep on July 14, 2009, 03:45:13 PM
actually we were talking about that before and i guess it couldn't be a bad idea but paul are you that good with a grinder? haha i don't wanna be done and have them look like crap, thats why i ended up not doing that. but if u think u  can do it i'll try and find some tj flares. but should i do all rear ones like that said?

Since your biggest concern is the rear, I would start with the rear flairs and see how it looks.  It might look a little strange with the back flairs in black and the fronts in Green, but you could paint the fronts a satin black and it would match pretty close.  I would hold of on the fronts until you settle on a front bumper.  Most of the rubbing in the front will come from steering not the wheel well.  Plus if you screw up the back you just need a new body, the front fenders will still look ok ;D. 
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 14, 2009, 09:24:40 PM
haha if you make it to the meeting tonight you'll see that i already have 1 black fender flare on the front, it's just primer right now but i guess i'll try to get tj flares now haha. only got 3 weeks left so are you gonna be able to do this in 1 day paul? u gonna have the free time to help me?
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 14, 2009, 10:50:11 PM
haha if you make it to the meeting tonight you'll see that i already have 1 black fender flare on the front, it's just primer right now but i guess i'll try to get tj flares now haha. only got 3 weeks left so are you gonna be able to do this in 1 day paul? u gonna have the free time to help me?

nope i'm already out of time, i'll be in boston all weekend.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 14, 2009, 11:07:20 PM
this isn't a this weekend project it would have to be next weekend. because around august 2nd im taking my jeep down to nj to be shipped to hawaii. ;D
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 14, 2009, 11:11:10 PM
this isn't a this weekend project it would have to be next weekend. because around august 2nd im taking my jeep down to nj to be shipped to hawaii. ;D

leave the jeep and just ship your big wheel.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 14, 2009, 11:12:32 PM
.... the 1 post u weren't making fun of me in and now u are  :(
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 14, 2009, 11:18:29 PM
.... the 1 post u weren't making fun of me in and now u are  :(

i would never make fun of you.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 14, 2009, 11:19:39 PM
haha ok then. the 1 topic you weren't giving me a hard time on.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 14, 2009, 11:20:43 PM
haha ok then. the 1 topic you weren't giving me a hard time on.

i would never give you a hard time
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 14, 2009, 11:31:16 PM
LMFAO.  r u drinking?
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 15, 2009, 03:29:05 AM
he would never drink... :D
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 15, 2009, 03:44:12 AM
lol. im realling thinking about those tj fender flares but im abit hesitant on it.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 15, 2009, 03:47:09 AM
lol. im realling thinking about those tj fender flares but im abit hesitant on it.

JUST DO IT
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 15, 2009, 03:50:46 AM
LOL :D im just afraid its gonna look stupid is all i need 2 look at more pics n writeups. axle has a set but they're front and rear flares not 4 rear ones.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 15, 2009, 03:51:45 AM
LOL :D im just afraid its gonna look stupid is all i need 2 look at more pics n writeups. axle has a set but they're front and rear flares not 4 rear ones.

JUST DO IT
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 15, 2009, 03:57:24 AM
well i've got the materials and the help to do it. just gonna sleep on it i guess.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 15, 2009, 04:01:16 AM
well i've got the materials and the help to do it. just gonna sleep on it i guess.

y?  3 inches of clearance for a lot cheaper then a lift, and you still keep all of your stock geometry and steering angles.  you CAN'T loose.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 15, 2009, 04:04:33 AM
but it's the simple fact that im afraid that once we start to cut up the fenders that once we're done it'll look like a hack job. i want it to look good afterwards. i don't care if we cut nearly the entire fender off front and rear so long as it looks good and not like some hillbilly did it while he was drinking in his backyard while in the dark.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 15, 2009, 04:27:07 AM
but it's the simple fact that im afraid that once we start to cut up the fenders that once we're done it'll look like a hack job. i want it to look good afterwards. i don't care if we cut nearly the entire fender off front and rear so long as it looks good and not like some hillbilly did it while he was drinking in his backyard while in the dark.

HEY I HAVE LIGHTS IN THE GARAGE!!
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 16, 2009, 02:03:49 AM
(http://i26.tinypic.com/20u1n45.gif)
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 16, 2009, 03:10:24 AM
im gonna do it. kirk said he's gonna see when the wife leaves and possibly do it this weekend but if not i have no idea because i'll have duty next saturday so i'll only have friday afternoon and sunday to do it with paul and i don't wanna rush the project because i don't know how long it'll take to do it.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 16, 2009, 03:22:02 AM
honestly I dont think more than a couple hours if everything goes as planned
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 16, 2009, 03:39:44 AM
IT'S A JEEP!!!!! nothing goes as planned.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: calvynandhobbs on July 16, 2009, 04:52:06 AM
IT'S A JEEP!!!!! nothing goes as planned.

There is no statement truer than that. I see we have taught you something.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 16, 2009, 05:14:31 AM
touché my friend, touché...  :D
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: gearhead1985 on July 16, 2009, 05:43:49 AM
i think that'll look stupid tho haha. no cutting yet.

stupid look??  it'll match the driver

what is your phone number saved in on my phone

i am the 3rd vote for the sawsall just bring it up and i will start cutting and you will be able to fit 39's with no issue of rubbing

now i remeber your name in my phone is stupid kid w/ XJ
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 16, 2009, 06:14:22 AM
i think that'll look stupid tho haha. no cutting yet.

stupid look??  it'll match the driver

what is your phone number saved in on my phone

i am the 3rd vote for the sawsall just bring it up and i will start cutting and you will be able to fit 39's with no issue of rubbing

now i remeber your name in my phone is stupid kid w/ XJ

dumbassxj in mine
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: gearhead1985 on July 16, 2009, 06:28:11 AM
i think that'll look stupid tho haha. no cutting yet.

stupid look??  it'll match the driver

what is your phone number saved in on my phone

i am the 3rd vote for the sawsall just bring it up and i will start cutting and you will be able to fit 39's with no issue of rubbing

now i remeber your name in my phone is stupid kid w/ XJ

dumbassxj in mine

i like that one better
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: kirksjeep on July 16, 2009, 04:09:13 PM
We can knock it out on Saurday at my place. Around 1300 or so will be best.  They are calling for rain, so I can move the kids toys and put my Jeep in the house garage and we can roll your XJ in the big garage.  I have a 4" grinder  that is small enough to make some good cuts, an air powered cut off wheel, a air powered nibbler, air saw, assorted files, assorted tin snips, and a welder in case we need to tack any seems together. 

If you get a chance stop by Lowes or Home Depot and pick up a couple of 4" cut off discs, not grinding discs.  There about $1- $1.50 each something like that. I think I might have some, but I'm not 100% sure. Also pick up some Rustoleum (Spell???) spray paint to cover the frest cut metal.  Satin Black would probabaly look the best.  If anyone else wants to come out you are more then welcome.  I'm not sure if my skills alone are enough to overcome R.J.'s negative skills ;). 
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 16, 2009, 04:40:31 PM
Let's see it with the 33's after
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 16, 2009, 06:33:10 PM
may stop in Kirk, gotta witness this before I do mine
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 16, 2009, 10:22:30 PM
haha the guinea pig am i? and am i really saved under that paul? but alright i'll pick some paint up and some cut off wheels also.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 16, 2009, 10:44:43 PM
I guess you could say guinea pig, I just dont really have the need to cut mine right now, and figure I might as well watch to see what you guys end up doing
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 16, 2009, 10:52:02 PM
ok the idea is that we cut them up to that fold in the fenders that run down the entire body. but then the question is what do we do with the rear? because if you cut that high in the rear then your taking off like half the door.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 17, 2009, 12:13:55 AM
This was on a 92 but it should give you an idea if you are doing TJ flares

Front install- http://www.tcinternet.net/users/jkorda/jeep/mods/tjflares.html

Rear install- http://www.tcinternet.net/users/jkorda/jeep/mods/tjflares2.html
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 17, 2009, 03:40:31 AM
just search forums for people who have done this in the past.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 17, 2009, 03:50:27 AM
most ppl it seems just use all 4 rear flares from a tj i've only been able to find 2 or 3 xj write ups with the acutal one we're going to do.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 17, 2009, 05:18:39 AM
i've seen it done to a few rigs, and i've cut my own fenders, but never re-installed flares.  i just left it cut and open.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: kirksjeep on July 17, 2009, 05:21:15 PM
After seening it donw both ways, I like the look of all rear flairs the best.  The 97+ XJ's already have the side marker on the front of the fender and adding another one just looks like something was hacked up and pasted on there.  After we do the rear flairs we can take a good look at the front ones and see if you'll like it.  Worst case, you sell the front ones and find another set of rear ones to do the front.  The rears get knocked off the easiest, so getting those done is the top priority.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 17, 2009, 08:51:06 PM
yup. i did see a pic where i guy took the side marker out and put a piece of diamond plate in there and that looked cool. btw i ordered that intake tube it should be here tuesday.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 17, 2009, 08:56:03 PM
when i got to pick up the paint should i also pick up some of the same paint for my fender? or should i just get that done the right way?
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: kirksjeep on July 17, 2009, 10:09:32 PM
when i got to pick up the paint should i also pick up some of the same paint for my fender? or should i just get that done the right way?

To properls paint your fender will take a while.  You will need to sand all the primer and re-prime all the paint.  Then apply 2-3 coats of color, wait 24 hrs, 2-3 coats of clear, wet sand, and buff.  In short, not an afternoons worth of work.  If this is going to be used off road, I wouldn't dump $300 into a paint job, but I would atleast do it the right way.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: kirksjeep on July 17, 2009, 10:32:13 PM
Also get the nuts/bolts/washers needed.  Here is a write up where they used Rubicon Rear fliars up front.  Makes sense to use wider flairs up front since the front sticks out 1/2" or so further then the rear.
http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?t=436081&highlight=TJ+Flairs
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 18, 2009, 06:52:31 AM
that was a great write up and clean look, Only thing I would do differently is the Rubi flares in the rear to match also. May consider this in the future.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 18, 2009, 04:47:52 PM
y even use flares??  just get rims with a negative offset so the tires aren't even in the wheel wells.  youll be SET!!
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 18, 2009, 04:56:32 PM
doug here's tires for ya
http://nwct.craigslist.org/cto/1267823121.html
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 19, 2009, 04:07:39 AM
ok so we put the rear flares on, painted the control arm brackets, took the rear bumper ends off and painted the bottom part black (gonna do a 2 tone like roger except mine is black) cleaned my throttle body out btw kirk the throttle response is scare now  ;D. gonna try and get rubicon rear flares for the front. will definatly be able to fit 31's without a lift now.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: kirksjeep on July 19, 2009, 04:31:01 AM
ok so we put the rear flares on, painted the control arm brackets, took the rear bumper ends off and painted the bottom part black (gonna do a 2 tone like roger except mine is black) cleaned my throttle body out btw kirk the throttle response is scare now  ;D. gonna try and get rubicon rear flares for the front. will definatly be able to fit 31's without a lift now.

Glad to hear the the TB clean paid off.  I think the flairs look pretty good.  It took a little time to figure out how to do it, but not bad.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: kirksjeep on July 19, 2009, 04:32:56 AM
that was a great write up and clean look, Only thing I would do differently is the Rubi flares in the rear to match also. May consider this in the future.

The XJ design has the fronts stick out wider then the back.  Using Rubi flairs up front make up for the differnece in the offset.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 19, 2009, 04:05:49 PM
ok so we put the rear flares on, painted the control arm brackets, took the rear bumper ends off and painted the bottom part black (gonna do a 2 tone like roger except mine is black) cleaned my throttle body out btw kirk the throttle response is scare now  ;D. gonna try and get rubicon rear flares for the front. will definatly be able to fit 31's without a lift now.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3261/3116329821_32e5c251f1.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 19, 2009, 06:34:42 PM
will be up within the next hour or 2.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 19, 2009, 08:54:43 PM
alright here is some pics of the rear ones. we also did the back part of the quarter panel black since their was no paint under the clips for the rear end caps.


(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/reptile610/jeep/P7190003.jpg)

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/reptile610/jeep/P7190004.jpg)

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/reptile610/jeep/P7190005.jpg)

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/reptile610/jeep/P7190006.jpg)

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/reptile610/jeep/P7190007.jpg)

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/reptile610/jeep/P7190008.jpg)
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 19, 2009, 10:08:03 PM
couple gaps, but in all nice work. where's the 33's?
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 20, 2009, 01:46:05 AM
didn't do the front yet. gonna try to get rubicon front flares for it. then i'lll run the 31's and maybe 33's with my 3.5 inch when i get it.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 20, 2009, 02:02:21 AM
didn't do the front yet. gonna try to get rubicon front flares for it. then i'lll run the 31's and maybe 33's with my 3.5 inch when i get it.


just lock it front and rear and leave the stock suspension.  with 32's you won't have much flex, but it'll go through just about anything.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: calvynandhobbs on July 20, 2009, 03:34:47 AM
That looks really good. I like it.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: kirksjeep on July 20, 2009, 04:51:41 AM
That looks really good. I like it.

When ever your ready, I know what I'm doing for next time ;).  The hardest part is trying to get a flat flair to match up to the curves of the XJ.  XJ's look flat until you put a flat flair up to it.  A lot of time with the Dremel, just kept taking a little at a time until I got it as close as possible.  When we got done I hit some of the spots with the heat gun to smooth it out and put a little bend to it. 

He gianed 1 1/4" all the way around.  He could run 31's with no lift, if bigger bump stops were put on. 
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 20, 2009, 05:02:27 AM
i found some rear ones i can't remember but he wants abit. and the ones i found that are rubicons on ebay look pretty scratched up
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 20, 2009, 05:07:20 AM
i found some rear ones i can't remember but he wants abit. and the ones i found that are rubicons on ebay look pretty scratched up

how much are new ones?
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 20, 2009, 05:08:10 AM
if i get new ones i want the rubicon ones...... hold on i'll look them up
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 20, 2009, 07:38:45 AM
holding
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: kirksjeep on July 20, 2009, 03:26:10 PM
i found some rear ones i can't remember but he wants abit. and the ones i found that are rubicons on ebay look pretty scratched up

Just use the trim and bumper paint stuff like I did on my bumper and trim and they should look fine.  As long as they are not cracked I vote to save your $$$ and but the used ones.  They are going to get scratched when you take them off road any way.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: calvynandhobbs on July 20, 2009, 04:57:02 PM
I have a write up saved to my computer somewhere to do the fender trim, but to retain the stock flairs all the way around. That's what I'm thinking about doing. I kind of like the color matched flairs on my XJ.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: kirksjeep on July 20, 2009, 05:05:34 PM
I have a write up saved to my computer somewhere to do the fender trim, but to retain the stock flairs all the way around. That's what I'm thinking about doing. I kind of like the color matched flairs on my XJ.

The older XJ's have more room then the 97+ before cuttting.  Roger if you cut yours you could move up to 35's ;D. 
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 20, 2009, 06:22:33 PM
I have a write up saved to my computer somewhere to do the fender trim, but to retain the stock flairs all the way around. That's what I'm thinking about doing. I kind of like the color matched flairs on my XJ.

The older XJ's have more room then the 97+ before cuttting.  Roger if you cut yours you could move up to 35's ;D. 

don't say that you'll give doug ideas.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: calvynandhobbs on July 20, 2009, 06:56:24 PM
I have a write up saved to my computer somewhere to do the fender trim, but to retain the stock flairs all the way around. That's what I'm thinking about doing. I kind of like the color matched flairs on my XJ.

The older XJ's have more room then the 97+ before cuttting.  Roger if you cut yours you could move up to 35's ;D. 

That is the plan, but I'd have to regear to do 35s. Mine is bad enough with 33s.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 20, 2009, 07:08:49 PM
I have a write up saved to my computer somewhere to do the fender trim, but to retain the stock flairs all the way around. That's what I'm thinking about doing. I kind of like the color matched flairs on my XJ.

The older XJ's have more room then the 97+ before cuttting.  Roger if you cut yours you could move up to 35's ;D. 

That is the plan, but I'd have to regear to do 35s. Mine is bad enough with 33s.

let me know when your ready to do the gears, they're easy :D
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 20, 2009, 07:31:55 PM
i fell asleep but i e-mailed a guy in ny about rubicon flares that he has. cause idk if i'll get those ones on e-bay in time.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 20, 2009, 09:56:12 PM
here's some more 31's for ya.

http://hartford.craigslist.org/pts/1246058157.html
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 20, 2009, 11:33:06 PM
you should paint those flairs black
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 21, 2009, 01:43:12 AM
you should paint those flairs black

well since he has gay duty all the time, wouldn't pink be more approiate??
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 21, 2009, 02:39:27 AM
how about shiny whiny chrome? haha
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 21, 2009, 04:23:22 AM
if i did chrome it would match the rims  ;D
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 21, 2009, 04:28:48 AM
do purple
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 21, 2009, 04:39:59 AM
my first jeep was a purpleish color. not again.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 21, 2009, 04:47:58 AM
my first jeep was a purpleish color. not again.

was it barney purple??
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 21, 2009, 04:49:33 AM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=372876721&albumID=459476&imageID=2601681
 there are only 3 pics from after the accident linked on there. tell me if it says they're private and i'll save them on photo bucket.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 21, 2009, 05:00:32 AM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=372876721&albumID=459476&imageID=2601681
 there are only 3 pics from after the accident linked on there. tell me if it says they're private and i'll save them on photo bucket.

ok so i see the jeep and it kinda looks like mine.  what i don't get is i know your 12 and all, but you know the easter bunny isn't real right??

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/flexj/theme%20barbies/l_11fc3169cab5c1d0ede2111307f5cc07.jpg)

now what's worse??  believing in the easter bunny at 12, or pink hair??

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/flexj/theme%20barbies/l_40ce4322a9ee20f7c9229b165fa56a11.jpg)

which is worse, pink hair?  or the matching wardrobe??

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/flexj/theme%20barbies/l_188c8a71b65088497ead3570a8fa2ffc.jpg)

at least when you changed your wardrobe to something not gay, the pink hair didn't scare of fall your friends so you still had someone to take your pic for you...oh wait.....

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/flexj/theme%20barbies/l_0aebbd39216c49eebfc59b7a7a7e4dce.jpg)

The pink hair is so my new avitar....
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 21, 2009, 05:04:38 AM
LMFAO!!!!!!!  that was the easter b4 i left and i almost punched out that easter bunny.... the girl with the matching wardrobe was my sister (not planned out) and the pink mohawk was amazing and the girls loved it  :P
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 21, 2009, 05:07:26 AM
LMFAO!!!!!!!  that was the easter b4 i left and i almost punched out that easter bunny.... the girl with the matching wardrobe was my sister (not planned out) and the pink mohawk was amazing and the girls loved it  :P

Just please promise me that your didn't loose your virginity on prom night??  I mean your jeep was parked in front of a trailer!!
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 21, 2009, 05:09:18 AM
..... i lived in a double wide b4 the navy.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 21, 2009, 05:12:25 AM
..... i lived in a double wide b4 the navy.


so you did loose your virginity on prom night??  EWWWW
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/flexj/stupid%20shit/mullet.gif)<---Doug B4 Navy.


you make this way to easy....
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 21, 2009, 05:16:00 AM
i got an after one also :D
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 23, 2009, 12:48:41 AM
not cool. haha that double wide was more expensive then some houses in our area. btw. i got my intake tube today and the filter going out to install it now.. pics to follow.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 23, 2009, 03:27:14 AM
so rock-it lied.... following their isntructions the k&n filter i bought touched like 3" before the hood closed. so i had to let the tube droop down until it touched the A/C lines which generate no heat so i guess thats fine. it still seems like it should drop down another 1'4" but the hood closes with no problem it seems. tightening up the hose clamps after going for a ride i broke one of the them back to auto zone tomorrow. the good news: drove it around town abit and i can tell a different tone from the engine and with the hood popped you can hear the intake suck in the hair pretty clearly. before the intake i had what seemed like a 1-2 second throttle delay which really bothered me. with this on here it's down to less then a second. i noticed an increase dramatically in throttle response, acceleration, and maybe even abit of horse power. well worth the $112 for the tube and $50 for the air filter. wish it just fit abit better. anyways here are the pics.

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/reptile610/jeep/P7220003.jpg)

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/reptile610/jeep/P7220004.jpg)

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/reptile610/jeep/P7220005.jpg)
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 23, 2009, 02:10:17 PM
I still love how they call it a "cold" air intake and it's pulling air from under the hood where it's about 250 degrees hotter then ambient air temp.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 23, 2009, 10:19:26 PM
well it's on the opposite side of the exhaust mainfold so it's cooler than the other air box. but like i said. im not really a fan of how it sits in there. i've got it somewhat leaning on some hoses and the hood touches the wide end of the filter when the hood is closed.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 23, 2009, 11:21:04 PM
well it's on the opposite side of the exhaust mainfold so it's cooler than the other air box.


That's where you are wrong.  the factory air box pulls air in from in front by the grill.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 24, 2009, 12:45:05 AM
Probably could have rigged something up for alot cheaper dude. Doesn't look particularly effective. But to each his own.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: kirksjeep on July 24, 2009, 02:25:44 AM
The XJ design is a little differnt then the YJ.  Mine has a little bar welded to the bottom that slides into the cable guides for the throttle cable.  My K&N was bigger then the Rocket filter and mine rubbed the bottom of the hood too.  After a while the heat from the engine will cause the rubber on the filter to mold into place just fine. It might rub some of the paint away, and if that is a big deal, just put some tape under the hood.  The only thing I can think of to make the tube fit a little better would be to flatten it out where it  crosses the  valve cover. 

Paul is right, it is not a cold air intake, and thats why thay call it a "Rock-it Tube."  The power comes from the larger volume of air flow, not the desnser cooler air.  If it was a true cold air intake it would boost power by about 20 HP and this one claims 12 HP (???).  K&N and Air Raid both make filters with a tube and a heat shield, but they cost over $250. 

If the fit isn't right, call Rock-it.  It has been a few years since I called them, but they were very helpfull when I bought my bigger throttle body. 
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 24, 2009, 04:29:09 AM
mine does have the little thing to clip it in but it wont go over to mine the clips is 2 far away.  i will call rock-it tomorow though.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 24, 2009, 03:02:39 PM
Paul is right, it is not a cold air intake, and thats why thay call it a "Rock-it Tube."  The power comes from the larger volume of air flow, not the desnser cooler air.  If it was a true cold air intake it would boost power by about 20 HP and this one claims 12 HP (???). 

ya i forgot to add that last fact.  thanks kirk.  i think it would be fun to cut a hole in the hood and stand it straight up.  then its cold air and a snorkle.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 24, 2009, 04:32:19 PM
or we could find a truck/car with the same size hood that had a taller hood/ram air hood scoop and put that on the jeep. might as well be another color.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 25, 2009, 03:16:30 AM
or we could find a truck/car with the same size hood that had a taller hood/ram air hood scoop and put that on the jeep. might as well be another color.

i have an 8 inch hole saw that will make a nice hole in th ehood.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 25, 2009, 03:27:06 AM
haha ghetto snorkel not yet.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 25, 2009, 04:20:08 PM
haha ghetto snorkel not yet.

put on two so it looks like a nose
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 25, 2009, 05:05:32 PM
LMFAO!!!! ;D :D that'd look pretty crazy.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 25, 2009, 05:53:54 PM
make it look like nostrils
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 25, 2009, 06:33:11 PM
yeah. but don't they make dodge ram hoods with 2 intake holes thats similar to that?
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 25, 2009, 11:28:07 PM
yeah. but don't they make dodge ram hoods with 2 intake holes thats similar to that?

i don't know but i think you should make to look like nostrils.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 26, 2009, 12:10:20 AM
this is what im talking about. http://media.photobucket.com/image/dual%20intake%20hood/capterik/Super20Duty201.jpg
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 26, 2009, 03:32:28 AM
(http://forum.northeastjeep.org/Smileys/default/lame.gif)
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 26, 2009, 10:03:49 PM
haha or we could try and use one from a subi that has the vent for theirs?
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 27, 2009, 01:53:34 AM
haha or we could try and use one from a subi that has the vent for theirs?

just run it without the hood.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 27, 2009, 03:26:31 AM
Unbolt the hinges and drive as fast as she'll go, that should take care of it. lol
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 27, 2009, 03:28:00 AM
Unbolt the hinges and drive as fast as she'll go, that should take care of it. lol

sawzall is faster.  you have any idea how long it'll take doug to take out the 4 bolts??
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 27, 2009, 03:29:22 AM
he would never get them out they would strip as soon as he touched them... :P
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: calvynandhobbs on July 27, 2009, 03:49:41 AM
You guys leave Doug alone  :D He's trying. He's just new to this world of 4x4s.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 27, 2009, 05:18:50 AM
So was I though untill last winter, always had european cars, first car was a 5 speed 93 saab 900s, then I had an 04 5 speed jetta, and then an 04 6 speed jetta gli. So this is not only my first automatic, but also my first 4x4.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 27, 2009, 01:57:37 PM
You guys leave Doug alone  :D He's trying. He's just new to this world of 4x4s.


ooo dad steps in..  :P
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 28, 2009, 01:35:22 AM
haha i leave for 2 days and the fur n feathers fly. but is it legal to drive without a hood? even so with that open air filter when it rains wont it be ruined? and hey now! i've taken the hood off of my old car when i replaced the head on it.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 28, 2009, 01:49:59 AM
haha i leave for 2 days and the fur n feathers fly. but is it legal to drive without a hood? even so with that open air filter when it rains wont it be ruined? and hey now! i've taken the hood off of my old car when i replaced the head on it.

nope hoods are required. yes it will be ruined by rain
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 29, 2009, 07:58:18 PM
so thats outta the question. hm........ either i just deal with it or get a similar hood with a scoop.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 29, 2009, 09:58:40 PM
so thats outta the question. hm........ either i just deal with it or get a similar hood with a scoop.

leave it how it is.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 30, 2009, 01:40:32 AM
well yeah it's running fine now. but one thing i've noticed is that my oil pressure went up abit. maybe because of how i had to connect the pcv sytem to the new intake?
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 30, 2009, 01:50:32 AM
There is a reason you don't see jeeps running around with hood scoops. You don't need it. Some people put vents in to help with heat, but thats about it. I wouldn't waste your time or your money. Although, I did see a cowl induction hood for an XJ on craigslist not long ago, that looked pretty BA.

http://www.quadratec.com/products/55023_003_T.htm
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 30, 2009, 01:53:11 AM
haha yeah it's all just talk. i wouldn't spend much more than $100 for one of them.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 30, 2009, 03:18:04 AM
There is a reason you don't see jeeps running around with hood scoops.

they're too slow.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 30, 2009, 03:27:20 AM
There is a reason you don't see jeeps running around with hood scoops.

they're too slow.

yeah, unless you got a stroker or some kinda V8, why would you right? would be like a dildo rolled in glitter lol.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 30, 2009, 03:33:53 AM
There is a reason you don't see jeeps running around with hood scoops.

they're too slow.

yeah, unless you got a stroker or some kinda V8, why would you right? would be like a dildo rolled in glitter lol.

dude i just went to look for that picture...it's pretty gross what you can find.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 30, 2009, 03:49:59 AM
There is a reason you don't see jeeps running around with hood scoops.

they're too slow.

yeah, unless you got a stroker or some kinda V8, why would you right? would be like a dildo rolled in glitter lol.

dude i just went to look for that picture...it's pretty gross what you can find.

LMAO!
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 30, 2009, 03:56:09 AM
There is a reason you don't see jeeps running around with hood scoops.

they're too slow.

yeah, unless you got a stroker or some kinda V8, why would you right? would be like a dildo rolled in glitter lol.

dude i just went to look for that picture...it's pretty gross what you can find.

LMAO!

i'm going back to the motivational poster thread.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 30, 2009, 04:28:41 AM
they're 2 slow? how would getting that make it slower?
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 30, 2009, 05:06:57 AM
they're 2 slow? how would getting that make it slower?

I think that he just means they aren't made to be fast, so why try to make it something its not
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 30, 2009, 12:55:02 PM
they're 2 slow? how would getting that make it slower?

I think that he just means they aren't made to be fast, so why try to make it something its not

Kinda like wheeling with a 35...it don't make any sense.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: BlacXJeep on July 30, 2009, 05:39:19 PM
they're 2 slow? how would getting that make it slower?

I think that he just means they aren't made to be fast, so why try to make it something its not

Kinda like wheeling with a 35...it don't make any sense.

Or a Jimmy? lol
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 30, 2009, 06:50:38 PM
they're 2 slow? how would getting that make it slower?

I think that he just means they aren't made to be fast, so why try to make it something its not

Kinda like wheeling with a 35...it don't make any sense.

Or a Jimmy? lol

see now your catching on.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on July 31, 2009, 05:42:35 PM
o ok, eh, i like it with this on their. now im gonna do a catback and call it a day i think for performance parts.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on July 31, 2009, 07:01:42 PM
o ok, eh, i like it with this on their. now im gonna do a catback and call it a day i think for performance parts.

get a jet chip, then call it a day.  with the increased air going in and out of the motor you'll need the chip to re-program the computer to add more fuel, then call it a day.  it'll be a lot faster then
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on August 04, 2009, 04:35:17 AM
should i still do the catback then?
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on August 04, 2009, 05:08:05 AM
i meant after the cat back, i typed that when i was pretty tired.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on August 04, 2009, 01:55:57 PM
ok sounds good. haha basically copy kirk down to the T
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on August 05, 2009, 03:38:48 AM
ok sounds good. haha basically copy kirk down to the T

so you'll be R2K2 after that??
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: Gastank on August 05, 2009, 11:40:19 PM
they're 2 slow? how would getting that make it slower?

I think that he just means they aren't made to be fast, so why try to make it something its not

Kinda like wheeling with a 35...it don't make any sense.

You have to admit. the D35 was an awesome















Joke!  It just goes to show that the designers of that axle had a similar sense of humor to what we have.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: PaulW on August 06, 2009, 12:32:26 AM
they're 2 slow? how would getting that make it slower?

I think that he just means they aren't made to be fast, so why try to make it something its not

Kinda like wheeling with a 35...it don't make any sense.

You have to admit. the D35 was an awesome















Joke!  It just goes to show that the designers of that axle had a similar sense of humor to what we have.

there's nothing wrong with a dana 35.  i made a great front end in my 90 ranger.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: reptile610 on August 09, 2009, 05:13:09 PM
gotta love the 8.25!
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: gearhead1985B on August 10, 2009, 01:37:50 AM
The dana 60 is even better
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: kirksjeep on August 10, 2009, 04:59:58 AM
For simplicity, strength, and 4 wheel disc, the 8.8 can't be beat.  Plus there are TONS of parts available since the mustang crowd uses them.
Title: Re: fender flares
Post by: Gastank on August 10, 2009, 09:33:43 PM
I have to say, I didn't think the 35 would hold up in mine... but it lasted 3 months in the YJ after the motor swap, then I left.... I'm going to blow it up the first weekend I can! all are invited to attend. Though I don't know where it will be.