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The Mud Pit => Wrenching => Topic started by: calvynandhobbs on January 27, 2015, 01:26:28 AM
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Pam is going to be out of town this weekend and I need to get work done. I could some help with the old body lift removal and installation of the new one along with installing the gas tank and skid. Not sure yet if we are going to have to cut old body bolts or the body to get those bolts out. I have a welder, but haven't practiced enough with it to trust putting body pieces back if we have to do some cutting. If you have a plasma cutter that you could bring along that would be great for bolt removal.
Originally I planned to work both Saturday and Sunday, but Sunday doesn't look like it's going to happen now. Anybody that can help out Saturday stop on by. I'll pick up water, sodas and some beer along with ordering pizzas or something
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I can provide moral & tech support and maybe some one armed wrenching!
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I can come drink beer & eat pizza. ;)
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My daughter home from collage for her birthday that wk end. Sorry
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I am going to try and get over and give you a hand Roger. What time are you thinking?
Chuck
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I am going to try and get over and give you a hand Roger. What time are you thinking?
Chuck
I sent a note to Rock about getting my tires mounted on the rims one of those two mornings. I'm thinking 10am start for each day unless I can get my tires mounted early one of those two days and then that day may push out to a noon start. I'll know more by our meeting Tuesday.
Pam is pushing that I need to have progress by the end of February or I should just sell it as a project and wait to buy something already done. You guys know how that works though. Nothing is ever done.
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From what I saw of your project last week, I believe you could have this thing yard driving in a weekend. That jeep is clean, I will bring my 250K propane heater if you would like.
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I've got a couple kerosene heaters down there that we can use. One sounds like a jet engine taking off with electric/kerosene and the other is more of just a space heater once the garage is warm. The jet engine is only used for a few minutes and then the other one maintains.
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Just looked at Sunday and I'm going to cancel the work on the YJ for Sunday. I've got a couple dogs coming in and they are talking about snow all day. Hopefully we can get the gas tank/skid installed and the body lift installed. Maybe even the leaf springs and axles. We'll see how it goes.
Does anybody have a small jack that can fit between the body and frame to pry up one side at a time?
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A pipe or even 2x4 should work...
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A pipe or even 2x4 should work...
I have a nice scissor jack that will fit under about anything.
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RoverI will bring a floor jack and a few stands. Do you have all the hardware needed, grade 8 assorted nuts/bolts/ lock washers/ flat washers, bottle of never sieze, white lithium grease? You know stuff, lol. I will be there for 10am.
chuck
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Sorry I meant Roger lol
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I think I have everything we will need.
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Hey Chuck, if you want to bring the propane heater you can. I was out there tonight moving some things areound and notices that the torpedo kerosene heater smells. Lol
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Absolutely I will bring it along!
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Roger, do you have a 20 pound (Gas Grill) tank with propane? I will bring mine, but I think its only half full.
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Roger, do you have a 20 pound (Gas Grill) tank with propane? I will bring mine, but I think its only half full.
Yes, I have a propane tank for the grill that is close to full.
The torpedo kerosene heater heats the garage great and I'll crank that up to take the chill out of the garage, but a propane heater would probably be better for keeping it warm. The kerosene fumes can give you a headache after too many hours in it.
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I Have some kero that is good for inside home use you can give a try.
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Thanks to everyone that came out to help today. Great time with good friends and we got a lot accomplished. The previous body lift was removed and the new one was put in, motor mount lift installed and both axles are now under the Jeep. I'll upload a picture in a little bit.
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Glad to help Roger, it is looking good!
Chuck
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Here's another shot of the finished product from the day.
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Looks good!
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WOW !!! Looks like you got a lot done. Looks awesome. Hope its ready for Mohawk wk end !!
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I got a few pics:
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Wow that looks great!!
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Got some time down in the barn today. Tools removed from the fuel tank and fuel tank and skid installed. Rear brakes line hook up and the transfer case when I get back down there
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Sometimes I think I cause myself a lot of extra work. Just finishes with RTV and putting the tcase back together when I see a spring sitting on the work bench. The one that goes on the shift fork. Took it back apart and redid it. Then I was putting the case back into the Jeep and grabbed a wrong bolt. Has to pull the case back out and tap the thread for the correct one to fit. Tcase is in now though
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It happens to all of us. Trust me. I wont be done making mistakes till im 6ft under.
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I changed the title of this to make it a sort of build thread and progress update. I hadn't been down there in two weeks due to spring break and too many dogs. Spent some time this weekend and have the rear hard brake line in and UCF high clearance skid installed with everything up and out of the way. It was too dark to see if I'm going to have any tunnel clearance issues, but it all went up really well.
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My rear axle has lower shock mounts, but the front one does not. Should I weld the mounts onto the side of the axle tube (so they do not hang below) or should I go to the spring plates? With the SOA I think there's 4-5" in shock length so I'm thinking I'd be better off going to the axle tube to keep the shocks longer. What do ya'll say?
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I say keep it simple and stay on the plate.
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I'd say stay on the plate and see if works for you. If it doesn't, it isn't hard to change them down the road.
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I'd say stay on the plate and see if works for you. If it doesn't, it isn't hard to change them down the road.
What he said, but if you have to buy shocks then I would set it up they way you want ( 4" up & 8" down travel?) and set the mounts where they work best. you may not have enough room to mount then on the tube so you may have to raise the upper mount...
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Not spending much time in the barn on the YJ, but I did manage to pick up a bumper and winch plate for it today.
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I spent two hours last night removing the two broken bolts from where the cage ties in behind the seats. The inside ones that sit directly above the frame. There is no easy way to get those suckers out. That does mean I can put the cage back into the Jeep and get the seats put in. Trying to get things off the floor and onto the Jeep before I tear into the F250 next week.
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These bolts broke a while back right? Did you end up getting them out?
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Yes, I took the original cage out over a year and a half ago. I got them out with the 3" pneumatic cut off wheel, 4.5" cutting wheel, nut cracker, air hammer and hacksaw. I need a plasma cutter or torches. Would have made the job much easier, but I did get them out.
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Inside front area is now bedlined and ready for the cage to be dropped in tomorrow night. Windshield is primed on one side and finish painted on the other. I plan to flip it and paint the other side tomorrow night. I also got the metal sleeve out of the rear shocks so they will fit now. I hope to get the shocks on and the rear tires on in the next night or two as well as the seats installed. I got the driver front fender on tonight, but the passenger one isn't lining up correctly. I'm thinking the guy that built the flatfenders may have messed that side up. I'll look at it again.
Finally making progress.
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WooHoo! keep plugging away!
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Finally making progress.
The closer you get the more motivated you will get!
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Awesome. Sounds like your truck needs to break down more to make you get the jeep done :)
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Does anybody have a stock pitman arm I can borrow to size trial? I forgot that I had sold my 4" drop pitman arm with the roughcountry lift that was on my YJ when I bought it. My steering is OTK and I'm not sure if I can go with a stock YJ pitman or if I need to go to a flat one like a wagoner. Thanks
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I might have one Roger I will take a look for it and let you know.
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I found one in my garage but forgot it at home!
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Didn't get as much time to work on the YJ as I wanted this weekend, but here's a teaser shot of the way it's sitting currently.
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Ahhh Rog, did you get another YJ to put in the old ones place? Lol nice job I see you added some paint.
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Ahhh Rog, did you get another YJ to put in the old ones place? Lol nice job I see you added some paint.
Yes, been painting as I go along. I painted the windshield frame before I put the glass in it and figured it would be easier to paint the cowl area prior to putting the windshield frame back on YJ. Then I thought it would be easier to paint the cowl if I remove the hood and that led to painting the hood, which the previous owner had started to sand for painting already. Rabbit trails once I start something. LOL
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The tan looks soo good
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Been a long time since an update. The steering is now in and the rest of the YJ painted. Onto bleeding brakes and replacing the radiator soon.
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VERY Nice!
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Bleeding brakes didn't go the way I had planned, but I should have at least taken the rear drums off and looked at them. Ended up having to replace rear brake cylinders and all the hardware and pads. Got that done last night. I When I pulled the radiator the fluid looked so bad I decided to replace the thermostat and waterpump while I was at it. Started on those tonight and right off the bat I broke a bolt for the thermostat housing about halfway inside the thermostat housing. Another pain to deal with.
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Bleeding brakes didn't go the way I had planned, but I should have at least taken the rear drums off and looked at them. Ended up having to replace rear brake cylinders and all the hardware and pads. Got that done last night. I When I pulled the radiator the fluid looked so bad I decided to replace the thermostat and waterpump while I was at it. Started on those tonight and right off the bat I broke a bolt for the thermostat housing about halfway inside the thermostat housing. Another pain to deal with.
I wrenching was easy everyone would do it!
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Bleeding brakes didn't go the way I had planned, but I should have at least taken the rear drums off and looked at them. Ended up having to replace rear brake cylinders and all the hardware and pads. Got that done last night. I When I pulled the radiator the fluid looked so bad I decided to replace the thermostat and waterpump while I was at it. Started on those tonight and right off the bat I broke a bolt for the thermostat housing about halfway inside the thermostat housing. Another pain to deal with.
I wrenching was easy everyone would do it!
Right !!! Still wounder what the hell I was thinking why I do it for a living. After a day of work it's hard to come home and fix or upgrade the jeep. Or do maintance on the other 3 vehicles I own.
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Put gas in it and it fired right up. Either the air conditioner or alternator pully is screaming like a banshee though. At least I know it will start and idle pretty good after 2 years of sitting.
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So whats left to do?
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Still have rock sliders and rear fenders to put on. Brakes are going to be the death of me. Brought a caliper into NAPA to get a banjo bolt and they are 7/16-20 thread. Went to put them in tonight and those size bolts won't fit through the brake line end. Now I need new flexible brake lines. Anybody need brand new 24" Jeep brake lines. I need to start searching for flex lines from Dodge or at least have that size bolt.
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I suck at brake lines. Got the front ones in on Saturday, put some fluid in it and checked on it tonight. It's leaking in at least 3 places.
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Put the tires on and drove it around the neighborhood tonight. It was really quirky and the brakes still suck, but it made the loop and safely back in the garage.
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Did an alignment on it tonight and some other things. I need to pull the center skid plate down and notch it some for the front driveshaft.
Any fab guys have the time to help me figure out how to lower the seat?
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I belive Sean literally cut the bracket in half and bolted some angle iron in place till I welded them togethe
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Tonight I came to the realization that I'm a desk jockey and have never fabricated anything before. All I've done is repair things. Didn't think my plan through all the way before cutting metal and tacked a few things real quick to check for fitment. Nothing fit right. I need to rethink this thing.
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Rethought my seat bracket, cut some steel and test fit. My welding is ugly as I learn, but the new bracket put my seat exactly where I want it. In primer tonight for painting and mounting over the weekend.
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Pics or it didn't happen! Lol
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Pics or it didn't happen! Lol
Took a few pics as I installed the seat last night.
The brackets after paint.
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Height difference when installed.
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Thats a big difference!
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looks good!
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Ran into trouble tonight. Ed had been over and said I needed to shim the front axle and tip the axle forward to make sure the front driveshaft doesn't bind. Started it late tonight and put the shim in, but now the tie rid is against the top of the spring and the end won't seat. Unless I change my steering I think I'm going to have to not shim the front axle for now.
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Ran into trouble tonight. Ed had been over and said I needed to shim the front axle and tip the axle forward to make sure the front driveshaft doesn't bind. Started it late tonight and put the shim in, but now the tie rid is against the top of the spring and the end won't seat. Unless I change my steering I think I'm going to have to not shim the front axle for now.
What steering setup do you have now? Also what is your caster set at? Pictures don't load at work so I can't look back and see if any are posted of the setup.
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It's the RuffStuff 1 ton GM Y link steering with tie rod ends. I don't think I've taken a picture of the steering so I'll have to do that. I have home-made flat tops from the previous owner on the front D44 so it is OTK steering with a flat waggy steering arm. I had less than half an inch between top of the springs and the tie rod prior to trying to put a shim in it.
I bought the axles as a set from a guy that already had them set up for SOA so I thought the perch angles would be correct, but what I don't know is if he was running a tummy tuck or stock/sagged springs since my angles are a little off with the tummy tuck and new RE SOA springs.
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Here are a couple pics before I put the driver's side back together last night.
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I would measure your castor angle and make sure its in spec. Its a more important number than driveshaft angle. Bad castor and the jeep is going to be twitchy, wander all over the road and have poor return to center on the steering. From there I would determine if you need to change your steering setup, not ideal but they make highsteer arm spacers, if you decided to go that route. another option would be to swap to crossover and move the tie rod back down to the knuckles. But I would start with castor first and determine if and how much the axle needs to be rotated to be inspec.
Cut and turn of the inner C's is another option.
For example
http://www.ih8mud.com/tech/soa/5.html
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Mounted my winch last night and spooled the rope onto it this afternoon just before the rain started. I did use a wheel chock to make sure my Jeep didn't roll backward down the driveway. ;D
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Lmao!
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Roger- its been a while since I have logged on...Progress is looking good! This might sound like a lot of work, but you could cut the spring perches off, rotate the axle to the right angle for the driveshaft and then weld the spring perches back on. This is how I did the angle for my 8.8 swap and it worked well.
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Roger- its been a while since I have logged on...Progress is looking good! This might sound like a lot of work, but you could cut the spring perches off, rotate the axle to the right angle for the driveshaft and then weld the spring perches back on. This is how I did the angle for my 8.8 swap and it worked well.
Hi Kirk, yes that is in the back of my mind as an option. I haven't measured my caster, but my return to center is excellent and I don't have any wondering right now. I wheeled it at Rausch without binding of the front driveshaft ujoints as far as I know, but I did break the driveshaft on a rock. I think I'm just going to leave it alone for now and carry a spare driveshaft since it does seem to be a little on the low side.
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Sweet Rig Roger! Miss you guys!