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The Mud Pit => Wrenching => Topic started by: RnnngTrails on June 16, 2008, 06:22:44 AM

Title: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on June 16, 2008, 06:22:44 AM
Among other things I'm going to be adding a 7" lift, bumpers, winch, rock sliders etc. you can see it all here..

http://jt4x4.com/smf/index.php?topic=689.0 (http://jt4x4.com/smf/index.php?topic=689.0) 

Anybody who can help or has any kind of specialty skill that they've done something on here before.. (I've heard One-Eye is good with driveshafts and SYE's) I could use the help. No date or time scheduled yet.. but just putting it out there so it's known in advance. parts were ordered on the 14th.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: stsubs on June 16, 2008, 06:23:40 PM
Do not know much but if you need a hand I can help. 
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on June 16, 2008, 06:27:03 PM
You know Im down, just let me know when  8)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Seabee_BUC on June 16, 2008, 07:07:59 PM
I've heard One-Eye is good with driveshafts and SYE's
Gary,
I didn't see either one of these parts on your list...and with a 7" lift  :o, you MUST have both the SYE AND a high end CV driveshaft, maybe even a double CV...I'd ask a pro for input on that...
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on June 16, 2008, 07:27:19 PM
He's going through JB Conversions for the Super Short shaft kit, and Carolina Driveline for the driveshafts.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on June 16, 2008, 07:50:59 PM
good call, no middle man  :P
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Seabee_BUC on June 16, 2008, 07:58:12 PM
He's going through JB Conversions for the Super Short shaft kit, and Carolina Driveline for the driveshafts.

Cool...Although, he should go with an Atlas II with the 5.0:1 Lo ratio!!  ;D
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: BayouGold on June 16, 2008, 09:55:44 PM
Is that the same lift Axle's got? It costs less than the RE 5.5" & it will run 37's! :o
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on June 17, 2008, 12:13:10 AM
I got a message from Gary about the lift.  Apparently he can't run the 7" lift with his current t-case???  I don't know.  He's got duty tonight, so I'll talk to him about it tomorrow.  He is going with the 5.5". 
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on June 17, 2008, 02:02:39 AM
 :-\...all the more reason to go with the Atlas II  ;)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Seabee_BUC on June 17, 2008, 03:11:23 AM
 ;) I call dibs on his NP241!!!!
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on June 17, 2008, 03:18:56 AM
So he's staying with the 5.5" with 35's for now.  That seems to be the latest and greatest for jeeps these days anyway.  Looking at the latest edition of JPmagazine, they have a section on a recent Moab trip.  None of the jeeps were lifted as high as mine, but most were sporting 35's to 40's  :o .  Then again, most of them also have lots of fender trimming, and Dana 60's.   ::)

It really makes total sense, though.  Gaining more clearance from tire size rather than suspension.  I have to wonder how it affects articulation, though...  With less suspension comes less suspension travel, but a lower center of gravity.  So which is better???  More articulation, or less with a lower center of gravity? 

and...

GO!
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: BayouGold on June 17, 2008, 12:42:32 PM
He still going with the rock krawler system(5.5)?
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on June 17, 2008, 01:50:40 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Seabee_BUC on June 17, 2008, 02:40:33 PM
So which is better???  More articulation, or less with a lower center of gravity? 

and...

GO!

In my opinion, less articulation with a lower center of gravity. The taller you are, the less your vehicle can "roll" while trying to employ your usable flex. In your case Justin, I think the height you are at prevents you from safely using everything your suspension system could offer. Maybe its just pucker factor but I think with JD's 3 1/2" super-flex system and the tire size we run(33"), I can flex it to the maximum the system will allow and still be reasonably safe from flopping Inga on her side. It's takes a personal commitment to not not push the vehicle over its maximum capability.

Also, with a TJ and its coil spring suspension, you achieve more flex with less modification. I can safely say we could run 35's on Inga. (The only reason we haven't put on 35's is the wear and tear factor and the re-gearing we would need to do.)  We would rub in severe flex situations but I wouldn't need to upgrade to a bigger lift to accomodate them. Its my personal opinion that anything over about 4 1/2" of lift is almost overkill depending on what you plan to do with the rig. Driveline angles become severe and in a regular Wrangler, there is not enough wheelbase to safely go much higher than that. I would guess that even a CV driveshaft has its limitations and about a year and a half to two years is the life expectancy at a severe running angle and $400 every two years (usually at the worst times) is not worth it to me for that extra height. Wanna run a 6" lift??? Put it on an Unlimited... Just my .02

In the end, you can have a system that hits a 1400 on a 20 degree RTI ramp but you still need to know how to drive it to use that capability. As we can all vouch at one time or another, rig capability does not always perfectly mesh with driver ability or the desire to want it to do more. This sport can get rather expensive (as you already know  ;D) and if you drive it like you stole it before learning the vehicles capabilities things will undoubtedly break. And honestly: bigger lift = bigger tires = simply being able to drive over something(straddle it), instead of putting a tire on it and crawling over it; because Inga can get over probably 90% of the stuff you can at half the lift, smaller tires, one locker less, and probably a little less pucker factor...
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Sandbox Sailor on June 17, 2008, 05:41:44 PM
I never had any problems running the 7" and 35's on that TJ. The only time I broke anything was trying to pull things that I shouldn't have, and I ended up exploding the spider gears in the front axle (twice). I did some pretty insane wheeling with it, and flexed the hell out of that suspension with no issues. It is all about driving style, taking it easy on the skinny peddle when you need to, and knowing the limits of yourself and your equipment. My next project when I get home will be a mid-90's XJ, which will eventually get an 8" long arm lift and whatever trimming is required to get 35's under it. Eventually, when I can save nough I will swap the real leaf springs for coils, but that is further down the road. I am definitely interested in those MOPAR JK dana 44's that come with the 4.10's and electric locker, but again, that is further down the road.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on June 18, 2008, 01:38:03 AM
call me crazy but when in situations when you are going over something(one tire on rock, the other elsewhere) isnt the most important thing the downtravel of the suspension? 

my reasoning:  one tire on rock is now the high point of suspension, tire not on rock is low point.  therefore its not about the lift height just the downward travel of the suspension that is allowed by suspension.  look at tube buggys in UROK (sp?) and WEROCK (again sp?) the buggies are very low slung but have large tires(37 +)  also look at how much downward travel they have vice they upward travel.  this was a topic in either Jp or Petersen's 4WOR in the last 6 months, i cant remember more than that though. 

is lift necessary?                yes
are bigger tires necessary?   yes
is a HUGE lift necessary?      no
are HUGE tires necessary?    no
are they cool though?          yes

with all that said, just hope that you get a well designed lift kit.    ;)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Sandbox Sailor on June 18, 2008, 07:25:53 AM
Well, down travel and up travel together are the components of articulation. Articulation is what keeps your tires in contact with the ground as you go over obstacles. That being said, up travel is easier to get on a commercial lift setup. If you have too much downtravel with a coil suspension, then the coil spring falls out of the bucket (this happened to me on one occasion, and my spotter watched it and held the spring back in as I came down off the rock) with that TJ. The Rock Krawler suspension will flex that much. In those competition rigs, most run something like Foxx air shocks, so they don't have the same concerns. Again, it really all just boils down to knowing your and your rigs pro's and con's, and wheeling smart and picking the best lines for your ability and your rig's setup.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Kral4me on June 18, 2008, 02:06:35 PM
Again, it really all just boils down to knowing your and your rigs pro's and con's, and wheeling smart and picking the best lines for your ability and your rig's setup.

x2 ;)

And by the way...it's about TIME we see you on the forum Rob *grins* are you back from the sandbox yet dude, or what!?
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on June 19, 2008, 03:32:45 AM
Bumper/Tire Carrier, cb stuff, KC daylighter mounts etc. in. I'll be installing after work for the rest of the week. anyone interested? Also getting other orders tomorrow and friday.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on June 22, 2008, 03:38:28 AM
So todays progress consisted of the Daylighters, rear bumper/tire carrier, cb antenna, hi lift jack mounted, front bumper, winch plate, winch, removed snow plow wires
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on June 22, 2008, 04:38:38 AM
its already lookin like a beast too!
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on June 22, 2008, 04:42:07 AM
Zach, what time are we starting in the morning?
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on June 22, 2008, 04:48:04 AM
oh also, someone may have broken my steering box bolt (one of the 3) and it's now sheared off inside the steering box. I dont know how much of the old stud is sticking out, it may be able to be salvaged..
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: rocket on June 23, 2008, 02:11:38 AM
i've got a stud remover, let me know if you need to borrow it
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on June 23, 2008, 03:33:23 AM
about 1.25 inches of it is sticking out the other side still.. so we can probably get it out.. we'll see. Todays progress consisted of air tank and fender flares. (well almost air tank) Need a 90 degree tubing elbow and a new pressure gage. The old one received an exceptional amount of torque and well... brass fittings dont like that..

(http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/36142/2410748340101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/12475/2381131410101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb29.webshots.com/27356/2834581490101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/28135/2685384910101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/24893/2687110050101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/11535/2775410290101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/24447/2165417670101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/43142/2969746310101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/6996/2273563620101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Doball on June 23, 2008, 03:45:33 AM
Dude, I'm gonna steal your winch (don't worry, I'll put mine on your rig when I do)  ;D
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on June 23, 2008, 03:54:02 AM
I'll make (ask politely) JD post up that picture again!! >:(  PS.. Bring a friend. That winch is 113 pounds.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: BayouGold on June 23, 2008, 04:04:44 AM
sorry again about that "exceptional amount of torque".  :-\ 
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on June 23, 2008, 07:39:14 AM
Dude, I'm gonna steal your winch (don't worry, I'll put mine on your rig when I do)  ;D

At least we know know where to go to get it back   :D

sorry again about that "exceptional amount of torque".  :-\ 

at least you didnt break that steering box bolt  :-[
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on June 23, 2008, 01:09:35 PM
Dude, I'm gonna steal your winch (don't worry, I'll put mine on your rig when I do)  ;D

At least we know know where to go to get it back   :D

sorry again about that "exceptional amount of torque".  :-\ 

at least you didnt break that steering box bolt  :-[

...at least... :'(
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: rocket on June 23, 2008, 01:46:01 PM
I would reccomend making a plug for your air coupling.  It would be easy to get a male part and put a cap/plug on the threaded part.  It'll keep (most) of the mud out.  Awesome system!
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Seabee_BUC on June 23, 2008, 03:19:10 PM
Its coming along Gary! What are you still waiting for now besides the lift and tires?
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: reg on June 23, 2008, 04:26:01 PM
I would reccomend making a plug for your air coupling.  It would be easy to get a male part and put a cap/plug on the threaded part.  It'll keep (most) of the mud out.  Awesome system!

x2, salt and water in an air fitting S U C K
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on June 24, 2008, 12:57:00 AM
I need to order shocks, drive shaft, sye, diff guards, steering box bolt, still. The suspension hasnt shipped yet i dont think... the tires came in today. the replacement gage should be here by friday. I can't really think of anything else I'm going to need yet but i'm still thinking
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on June 24, 2008, 04:37:05 AM
three days of working on Garys jeep, nothing but some scrapes, today i slam my finger in my own f#*$in door! :-[
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on June 24, 2008, 04:49:57 AM
 ;D

You alright?
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: stsubs on June 24, 2008, 04:58:54 AM
If you still need help let me know and I will be there agen to help.  I have fun doing work on anything that uses oil and gas.  And I alwas learn something new.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on June 24, 2008, 01:32:15 PM
He wound up going to the Hospital to have it drilled. He was much better after that. It was pretty ugly looking though and happened before I got home so it was a surprise to me.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on June 24, 2008, 03:46:10 PM
Yeah, Jenn almost passed out (sorry Jenn :-\ )

Im alright, its just embarrassing after working on everything else.

BTW, got my brackets done for the antenna mount, reg i might go pick up a cable today  ;)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on June 24, 2008, 03:54:09 PM
I can't wait to see that when it's done!  That, and see it work!  You should be able to talk to the International Space Station by the time you're done!   ;D
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on June 24, 2008, 11:16:07 PM
Antenna is painted Red too. All done and dry.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on June 25, 2008, 12:48:41 AM
gotta paint the bracket backing plate that i had fabbed up red too  ;)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on July 03, 2008, 08:37:29 PM
suspension is in. waiting on shocks and driveshaft/sye. Then we'll pick a date.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on July 03, 2008, 08:47:56 PM
Word...  We'll get her up!
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on July 03, 2008, 08:51:22 PM
oh on a side note, Zach's CB is done minus the straps. We were in fact able to get the space station. They're doing well and send their best. ;)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on July 03, 2008, 10:04:12 PM
and we only used half the antenna for now, dont wanna catch any power lines! ;) :D
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on July 04, 2008, 03:55:42 AM
I saw your rig at the sub fest, zach.  That antenna looks great!  I can't imagine having the whole thing attached!  I would be careful.  Does it send and receive well?
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on July 04, 2008, 04:17:39 AM
so far we cant get more than 10 feet.. i think it needs the whole thing.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: reg on July 04, 2008, 04:23:08 AM
so far we cant get more than 10 feet.. i think it needs the whole thing.

did you bypass the coils inside the base?  Zach had a write up on it.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on July 04, 2008, 05:42:04 AM
idk.. i left that part to him. I just did the install/painting. lol. I'll ask him when i see him again and maybe we'll get it. We tried changing the switch around on bottom. that got us reception further up. but we still have broken transmissions. Like if he were to say a 5 word sentence it would only hear the first 2.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Seabee_BUC on July 04, 2008, 03:16:47 PM
Is this some kind of special antenna you guys are trying to rig up to work??? What is the brand name? Don't forget, until the antenna is mounted and TUNED with an SWR/Field Strength Meter, it won't work as well as it should.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on July 04, 2008, 03:23:56 PM
It's some type of military whip antenna.  It's f'n huge, at least 20 ft. of total length between the two pieces.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: reg on July 04, 2008, 04:02:04 PM
It's a as 3900 or somthing

(http://www.steelsoldiers.com/modules/PNphpBB2/files/antenna_155.jpg)

came from the army surplus store
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: rocket on July 04, 2008, 04:35:47 PM
Thoes are used for the Army's tactical radios(encrypted).  They are on every truck/humvee that rolls outside the wire.  I forget the frequencies used, but i'm sure they are tuned for the specifc range of the Army's radios, not CB radios.  You should probably stick w/ a CB radio.

Every frequency has an ideal antenna lenght that works best for it (I had some training on this for Afghanistan).
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on July 04, 2008, 04:41:02 PM
There's got to be some way to adapt it for civilian use...
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: BayouGold on July 04, 2008, 05:27:08 PM
SINCGAR
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on July 04, 2008, 05:40:49 PM
Huh?  What's SINCGAR, Dingo?
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: reg on July 04, 2008, 06:07:51 PM
YES it can work.  you need to bypass the tuning coils in the base.  the antenna is for HF (high freq)  so is the CB. The tuning colis are what changes the 'hright' of the antenna for the specfic freq's.  tuning the antenna is much like tuning the stainless steel whip (it has to be trimmed) or coils added.
If your SWR reading was higher on channel 40 than it was on channel 1, then it simply means the antenna is too long. If it was higher on channel 1 than it was on channel 40, it is too short. This is really easy to change if you own a tunable-tip antenna. If you own an antenna like this, you can simply unlock the tip and raise or lower the antenna. Continue tuning until you reach a good ratio. If you own a fiberglass whip antenna, it is a little more difficult. First, you have to remove the tip and cut until you can access the wire coil. If it needs to be shortened, you have to begin cutting in around ¼" increments until it is correct. Now, if it is too long, you have to take the top coil and continue moving it out in slight increments until it is correct.


look here
http://www.flashoffroad.com/radio/Milantenna/milAntenna.htm (http://www.flashoffroad.com/radio/Milantenna/milAntenna.htm)

also, the paint might have screwed it up
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on July 04, 2008, 07:09:01 PM
 :o  UH OH...
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on July 05, 2008, 02:38:38 AM
ok...so yes I originally looked at that article, little did i know that there is a more recent version about not painting.  it is also explained that there are two ways to use the antenna with the CB, one not modifying the inside, one bypassing the coils like reg said.  reg, i need your consultation on this, so i can transmit and not just recieve, we have tried turning the switch.  let me know your thoughts and i might need some help too.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: rocket on July 05, 2008, 03:18:37 AM
Huh?  What's SINCGAR, Dingo?

SINCGAR is the name of the army's radios
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: BayouGold on July 05, 2008, 03:37:59 AM
Point goes to Rocket! ;)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: reg on July 05, 2008, 04:13:01 AM
ok...so yes I originally looked at that article, little did i know that there is a more recent version about not painting.  it is also explained that there are two ways to use the antenna with the CB, one not modifying the inside, one bypassing the coils like reg said.  reg, i need your consultation on this, so i can transmit and not just recieve, we have tried turning the switch.  let me know your thoughts and i might need some help too.

I hate to say it, but if you spraypainted the antenna that is probally it. I'll play with the antenna tomarrow if you are there.  Brad "gastank" is much more senior in radio things...  Brad??  Brad?..... "Brad is in Italy right now and get zero bars there, so even thugh I've called him like a billion times, he will never get this message" 
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on July 05, 2008, 05:24:41 AM
the paint wont be hard to get off if need be, it was worth a shot though :-\
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Gastank on July 11, 2008, 09:32:57 PM
GASTANK IS HERE.

Ok just from reading really quick, yes spray paint will effect you cb antenna.
there are a couple of thing you can do to up the xmit/rcv power of you ant. But reg has already told you the easiest way.
Matching your VSWR to your antenna is the biggest thing... There are Amplifiers at truckstops and radioshack that will help
I believe boaters world has them also. A quality ant will make a big difference too. I ran firesticks on my ramcharger, which would
reach clear into montville from trident park. Just some ways to help you out.
Good luck!


FYI my cell works great. but it's a different number... pm me for that. and my house number is the same Groton number that I had.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on July 12, 2008, 12:25:43 AM
packing up the truck and going to the hobby shop tonight to start on the rubi's suspension. Anyone who can show up would be greatly appreciated. I'll be there again tomorrow morning at 9am (i think thats when they open) until they kick me out.  Scott, any chance i could borrow the welder/grinder? Aparantly MIG is the preference for this type of thing. ;)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on July 12, 2008, 05:05:21 PM
I'm heading up after lunch for a few hours.  They have a mig at the shop if Scott isn't available.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on July 13, 2008, 06:51:24 AM
wrenching will continue on tuesday as soon as i can get over there. Axle will be filtering through throughout the day to keep forward progress on the jeep going. Anybody who can help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: rocket on July 14, 2008, 03:15:37 AM
you working on base?  i've got duty so i could help if yes.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on July 14, 2008, 03:25:28 AM
Yup, hobby shop.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on July 17, 2008, 04:16:39 AM
Ok, so today...

Mounted the track bar bracket
Dropped the rear axle and began weld prep work.  Got the right side off and ground smooth and the left is in progress.
Installed the front brake lines at the frame.

New pitman arm went on Saturday, so the steering is set up except for an alignment.
Skid plate is installed, but needs one more bolt installed on the right side.  Just need to tap it and find another bolt.
Should finish the front end tomorrow, except for the the shocks. Hopefully we'll get the axle over to Karns for the welding also.

More work tomorrow.  I'm planning on being there around 11 or 12 for a few hours.  Gary is trying to get special lib, or at least get off at a decent time.  I figure he'll owe the shop around $200 or $250 at this pace.  Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: rocket on July 17, 2008, 05:16:04 PM
sorry i didn't show; i just now checked the forum.  sorry guys :(
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on July 18, 2008, 03:47:47 AM
Gary took the axle up to Pete to get the bracket welded on tonight.  Tomorrow he's going to cut off the lower control arm brackets at the frame, as that is really holding us up.  Once he gets that done, it should be smooth sailing until we're finished.  I'd say we'll be there around 1300ish, but I would call one of us first if anyone plans on helping.  Still just been me, gary, and zach.  All week...  ::)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: ct axle on July 18, 2008, 04:30:13 AM
Axle , thank you for sending the boys up to see me. i know they were not disappointed in my ability. pete
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on July 18, 2008, 03:06:07 PM
watching pete weld is like watching Jimi Hendrix play guitar, its amazing! 8)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on July 18, 2008, 04:26:42 PM
No problem, Pete!  Thanks for the help on such short notice.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: ct axle on July 18, 2008, 11:56:02 PM
Anytime.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on July 19, 2008, 03:13:21 AM
Today we got the rear axle installed.  Tomorrow we'll be doing the front end.  Gary will be there bright and early at 0900, but there's not much that can be done until after he cuts off the front brackets.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on July 19, 2008, 04:58:18 AM
Here's some photos from the work so far.. There arent that many as it's been non stop work while we're there.. So hopefully these will give an idea..


Before:
(http://inlinethumb08.webshots.com/40519/2248738330101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)



The parts:
(http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/43311/2433328820101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)



The Wheels:
(http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/7158/2697651770101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)



A/T Skid removed:
(http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/40767/2642116160101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)



Belly Skid removed:
(http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/41578/2540989570101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)



Front End Disassembly:
(http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/19649/2976106610101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)



Axle and BayouGold lending a hand:
(http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/26346/2803543230101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)



Frame Rails Ground and Painted:
(http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/40709/2558290090101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)



The fine work of Pete at CTAxle. THANKS PETE!! IT LOOKS AWESOME!
(http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/40966/2730303500101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on July 19, 2008, 02:52:20 PM
I'll be done grinding around 10. Anyone who wants to help can be there around then. Thanks!!
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on July 19, 2008, 11:10:50 PM
Great success!!!  She's about 80% done, I'd say.  Gary got to see what the future holds today.  I'm sure he'll post up pics when he has time.   :)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on July 20, 2008, 06:48:55 PM
Updated Pictures:

Rear end is together (Minus shocks):
(http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/43346/2009892250101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/41259/2661880940101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/42188/2247733390101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)



Zach and Justin install front control arms:
(http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/41743/2421799260101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/32183/2632174610101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/43681/2276142000101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/43959/2278055710101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/11543/2270147800101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/12195/2763824780101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)



REG TO THE RESCUE WITH THE SAWSALL!!
(http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/41840/2193244590101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)



Tires on and supporting her own weight:
(http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/33619/2601201370101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/32312/2594235620101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/40767/2563598560101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)



Before and After
(http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/43550/2723913970101752157S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: rocket on July 21, 2008, 04:01:39 AM
Much better!  though now i'm back to being the one w/ the baby rig!
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on July 21, 2008, 04:54:53 AM
i still have a cherokee with 3" on 31's... are you bigger than that?
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: rocket on July 21, 2008, 01:37:30 PM
i still have a cherokee with 3" on 31's... are you bigger than that?

2/2.5" on 32s.  even?
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on July 21, 2008, 10:30:20 PM
sounds good. If you really want to know, we can take measurements to the body from the ground.  :)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: rocket on July 22, 2008, 11:02:01 PM
only if i'm fully aired up!  i loose over an inch at 6#!
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on July 23, 2008, 10:14:29 PM
ok next event that we're both at we'll take a look.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on July 24, 2008, 03:15:37 AM
Bad news people...  The hobby shop is no longer safe to leave your vehicle for any period of time while you aren't there.  Gary had his brand new $200 rear shocks stolen from the back of his jeep.  We have a VERY strong suspicion that it was an inside job by a shop keeper.  Say a prayer for Gary, he's really upset.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on August 10, 2008, 03:39:18 AM
You wanna know why I hate Skyjacker shocks?  I'll tell you why I hate Skyjacker shocks.  They are cheap crap!!!!  That's why.  Both the upper bushings on Gary's rear shocks simply disappeared.  They crapped out and fell out of the bar pin eliminators.  Unbelievable.  I've never seen anything like it.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: albsvx on August 10, 2008, 03:44:05 AM
uhm...

that doesn't sound possible.

I absolutely do not believe that.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on August 10, 2008, 04:33:51 AM
Believe it.  They were in there when I put the bar pin eliminators together.  They were in there when I put the shocks on the jeep.  Keep in mind that the bar pin eliminators remove the metal bushing and only use the rubber one.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: albsvx on August 10, 2008, 04:56:23 AM
right, but they contain their own metal bushing, right?

I just can't see how this can possibly be true, unless there had been sitting out in the sun for months or something.

short of dry-rot, there is no way that brand new bushings would disintegrate tot he point of being completely gone from the vehicle, in what, 2, 3 weeks?

I don't mean to insult you, if you personally did all the work ... but I've got to believe that somebody "forgot"
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: albsvx on August 10, 2008, 04:59:08 AM
unless there is some sort of serious severe design/build problem with the BPEs that are cutting the bushings...

I certainly wouldn't blame the skyjacker shocks on this one.

I mean, even if the bushings were horribly dry-rotter, that's a shortcoming of the bushings, not the shocks ...

and really, if they were THAT bad, that should have been obvious when you were installing the BPE

something is definitely fishy here
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on August 10, 2008, 05:43:59 AM
No insult taken.  I have a witness that saw me put these things together, and they weren't dry rotted or damaged.  I can't figure it out.  Somehow I have to get new bushings.   ???
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: albsvx on August 10, 2008, 05:49:23 AM
should be pretty easy, I'm sure they're a standard size, you can probably pick up some nice poly bushings even someplace like autozone
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Gastank on August 10, 2008, 07:35:11 PM
If it makes you feel any better, I put a brand new set of hydro 9000's on my YJ and then went wheeling... started to smell gas on the trail (was following a Carb'd Yota) decided to stop to relieve myself and found my drivers rear shock wrapped under the axle. On it's way down, it caught the rubber gas line going into the fuel filter. Talk about Crap!!! I called Skyjacker and gave them my part number and what I ordered as far as extended and compressed lengths... and they said sorry that was the wrong extend shock but they couldn't help me due to already having installed and destroyed that shock. That was my dealings with Skyjacker. That was probably the 5 or 6th time that I used them with no other problems, but probably won't use them again.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: rocket on August 11, 2008, 05:23:24 AM
Wow, i've got an entire skyjacker kit on my taco (nitro shocks and leafes in the rear, coil-overs in the front).  Guess thats why they are the cheapest :(
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on August 12, 2008, 12:45:03 AM
Shock bushing update from Skyjacker:  http://www.skyjacker.com/products/tech_training/ (http://www.skyjacker.com/products/tech_training/)

Click on the one that says "Shock Bushing".  Hopefully you can get it to work, I can't.  I called their customer service and was greeted by an old squid.  He said that the latest poly bushings they got were mixed wrong and are falling apart rapidly.  He is sending me two extra sets to fix the shocks. 

If you have purchased Skyjacker shocks in recent months, I would contact them immediately and see if you are affected.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: albsvx on August 12, 2008, 12:47:43 AM
fyi, since you said you couldn't follow the link...

Quote
   

Skyjacker Bushing Update

Hydro & Nitro Shocks

If you purchased shocks from April 1st to May 31st you may have received bushings that have a softer durometer reading and have the possibility of premature failure in some applications. Please see picture below that shows the softer durometer bushing color. If you believe this affects you please contact Skyjacker Suspensions (318) 388-0816 for replacement bushings.

Sorry for the inconvenience this may have caused and rest assured this has been corrected.


Thank you for your business,

Skyjacker Suspensions Management Team
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on August 12, 2008, 12:49:28 AM
Thanks.  See, I told you I put them in!   :P
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: albsvx on August 12, 2008, 12:51:52 AM
WOW, the picture that accompanies that text shows some that are completely disintegrated...

My apologies to you sir!

 :'(
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: albsvx on August 12, 2008, 12:56:29 AM
pictures from the linked document...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3152/2754300215_dfcacff7ca.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3247/2754300219_13d7776ecb.jpg)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: rocket on August 12, 2008, 03:52:58 AM
i'll be checking mine this week!!!  that is insane!
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on August 12, 2008, 08:16:20 PM
holy hell!!! i think he has those on the cherokee too?!
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on August 16, 2008, 01:12:12 AM
the ones on the xj were dark (from what i could tell.) the ones for the XJ stabalizer that i havent installed yet i got one dark one light. so I can repair ONE side of the TJ. :-(
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on August 16, 2008, 05:38:30 PM
oil cooler and fan will be here on wednesday. Justin/Zach/anyone else? last minute wrenching?
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on August 16, 2008, 07:44:21 PM
I have duty Wednesday.  If I have any time on Thursday I'll give you a call.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: rocket on August 16, 2008, 11:17:40 PM
i'm on leave starting wed morning
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on August 17, 2008, 06:46:37 AM
I'll give you guys a call when it gets here and we'll see where we're at. Thanks!
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on August 18, 2008, 02:56:38 PM
dont know how much ill be able to help, got family coming in this week and last minute preps for the wedding
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on August 18, 2008, 03:59:30 PM
Wedding, schmedding!!!  It's not too late, Zach!  Don't go towards the light!!!   NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!   ;D


We'll take care of the wrenching, Zach.  Take care of your wedding.  It's a special day, and it's a very important one to get right.  Congrats, and good luck!
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on August 19, 2008, 07:38:05 AM
well.. zach was right.. i had the bad ones on the xj. the front 4 blew out tonight on the ride back from NY. I saved them in a baggie for show and tell.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: rocket on August 19, 2008, 11:42:50 AM
can you get new ones before friday?
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: RnnngTrails on August 19, 2008, 01:43:08 PM
for the XJ no. but I have new ones for the TJ already. Just have to put them in
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: CnoteTJ on August 20, 2008, 05:46:25 PM
well.. zach was right.. i had the bad ones on the xj. the front 4 blew out tonight on the ride back from NY. I saved them in a baggie for show and tell.

 ::) Sometimes I hate it when I'm right!  :o

Well, hope you guys have as much fun up there as I would!  And all forecasts look good for the weekend, keep checking due to the outdoors wedding 8) 

Thanks for the words Axle, it means alot to Sarah and I  :)

Someone better bend a tie rod up or blow out a window there for me ;) 


Good luck and Godspeed!
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Seabee_BUC on August 20, 2008, 07:40:14 PM
Someone better bend a tie rod up or blow out a window there for me ;) 



Jeezus I hope not...  ::)
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: calvynandhobbs on August 20, 2008, 07:59:12 PM
Someone better bend a tie rod up or blow out a window there for me ;) 



Jeezus I hope not...  ::)

x2  I'd like my junk to be just as driveable on the way back as it is on the way there.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on August 20, 2008, 08:37:49 PM
I have the following spares:

rear driveshaft
rear control arm
tie rod
pitman arm

Oh, and USAA!   ;D

BRING IT!!! 
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: rocket on August 21, 2008, 03:20:11 AM

Oh, and USAA!   ;D

BRING IT!!! 

does road side assist work on unimproved roads if they are mapped?
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: Axle on August 21, 2008, 03:58:13 AM
I don't see why not.  It's a bonafied legal road.  But since it's unmaintained, who knows.
Title: Re: Rubi's Build up
Post by: mallcrawl on August 22, 2008, 12:59:07 AM
i expect the tow bill for unimproved roads will somewhat exeed the limits roadside assistance will pay