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The Mud Pit => Wrenching => Topic started by: Gastank on January 04, 2008, 08:57:08 AM
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Ok, I'm reposting this with the hopes of you guys hooking me up... ROD/JD no hi-jacking please.
I would like to start buying parts for Sarah ( I have 2 1/2 years and it would be easier to do it over the span instead of all at once) to get sarah where I would like her to be...
Here's what I need
First off I need to get base dimensions of a YJ on 33's/SUA
so I need...
- bumper height front and rear
- height from top of tire to bottom of the fender (front and back)
- Hub to bottom of fender (front and back)
- WMS to WMS (front and back)
- spring perch center to spring perch center (front and back)
- spring eye to spring eye (front and back)
- frame width outside of channel to outside of channel (front and back)
- Yoke distance from front yoke to t-case and rear yoke to t-case
- last but not least for this part is hub to hub front to back
Next I need some from the bigger vehicles (F-250/F-350)
- WMS to WMS (front and back)
- spring perch center to spring perch center (front and back)
Also... do we have any stock YJ's left? I need caster angles also. If anyone needs explanation on the what's, why's, or anything else feel free to ask....
I might be asking for more info down the line.... Planning is the hardest part
Thanks again in advance.
Ciao
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i dont want to hijack your stupid thread any ways.
:-X :-*
what is the end product you are looking for so we all have the same end goal for you?
i really dont remember this thread to well. i just know that eric was all over fogging engine and tires. that was the last i knew.
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Dana 60's, 40-44" Boggers, Custom Leave springs, possibly four link front and rear if I get my welder and a good size garage. That's the next step in Sarah's build. The motor was just phase one. ON TO PHASE TWO!!!!
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Why do you need WMS to WMS are you planning on keeping the 60's at stock width? I think that if you are planning on doing that to try to keep it street legal then going to 44" Boggers will be knida defeating the purpose of staying street legal, and 44" tires on a stock width Jeep in my opinion will look knida dumb and be a major rollover hazard. Just my opinion. But if you want 44" Boggers then I think you should get full size axles and then weld the perches where they need to be. But what ever your plans are I will help as much as I can.
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uhm.... you don't do a 4-link with leaf springs....
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yeah, I gotta agree, there's no way to take a wrangler body, and put 44"s under it and keep it streetable (and legal) while still having it perform worth a damn on the trail
you're going to need to decide if you really want to go that extreme, and have a trailer queen, or tone it back quite a bit if you want to try to stay street legal (or even reasonably streetable)
personally, I think everybody here knows what I would do!
get the 60s, keep them stock width, mount them spring over, and cut the fenders back until the 44"s fit... :)
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Alright here it is
Bumper height:f-26", r-23"
Hub to bottom of fender-f-27", r-28"
Spring perch center to center-f-31.5", r-39 3/4"
Yokes-f-42 1/4", r-17"
tire to bottom of fender- f-11", r-12"
spring eye to spring eye(inside)- f28", r-37 3/4"
frame- f-33", r- 42 1/2"
wms to wms f&r- 58"
Let me know if you need anything else.
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Use Stock 60s and Hummer rims, since they have a deep back spacing, Then you get bead locks too. I would suggest a slightly smaller tire such as a 39.5. A 44 is just too big for a YJ unless you lengthen its wheel base. Just my 2 cents
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what i was thinking to all replys.
but isnt the tallest dot tire 44's?
i love al's approach, cut it. no fenders.
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There is alot of good gouge here... and I thank you for it.
The tallest DOT tire is the 54" Bogger
As for the Axles I was planning on keeping stock width of around a 86 ford F250/F350, Due to the Kingpin front D60
the tire clearance will involve alot I know. I was looking at pushing the front and rear but the measurements is what I was waiting for for the decision. i know that if I go leaves then I'll be going outside the frame, obviously SOA, but I am still looking into the 4 link idea... I have a lot of time left here and just wanted to start buying the parts I now I will need. Tires, rims, etc...
It will be a trailer queen for the most part.... having LA plates helps for driving around town. They can't say a thing to me. The only state that can in Virginia.
Cheek: thanks for the measurements I'll get crackin on the draw up so I can keep you guys updated.
cj-nh: Thanks for the idea of the hummer rims... I didn't even think about that. I was looking at the inner rim beadlocks.
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Well it can be done and it would look tough, I'm just not to sure how functional it would be especially up in this area.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s191/jt4X4/Brian%20O/Brian%20O%20Pics/44.jpg)
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that is a TOXIC/CJ-NH/AL question.
dont have much ref to this question
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A friend in NH has 44's on a 1960's vintage Willy's pickup, with Dana 60s and a small block chevy, and he has a hard time with it on many trails because it is too wide and it doesn't turn very well.
If you want 44's it is possibe (anything is possible) It is just not very functional for a YJ. If you were building a tube buggy that would be a different story.
Again just my 2 cents.
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I agree 100%
possible, but not really useful for anything other than car shows and making people ask "why?"
even on tube buggies, going over 40" is really overkill for almost anything there is to do around here
hell, half the time I think my 35"s are overkill
sure was a lot easier to find challenging "trails" when I was on 31"s
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says the guy with a buggy tracker.
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which is still only sitting on 36"s (though I think I'm going to go with 37"s at some point here)
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yeah, the owner of vanes, said that he runs 38's and and 37's X 12.50
any thing bigger, kills your turning and you stance is often too wide to support the rig from floping
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yeah, I don't know too many people around here running >40"s
again, not to say it can't be done, or wouldn't be interesting to look at. I'm just not sure the final product would be worth the effort.
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yeah, I don't know too many people around here running >40"s
again, not to say it can't be done, or wouldn't be interesting to look at. I'm just not sure the final product would be worth the effort.
or worth the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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I mentioned earlier running Hummer rims on Dana 60 axles. Here is a link to pictures of a Jeep with that setup running 38" boggers.
http://www.newjo.org/NEWJO/TDR/2005/jacob_m2004.html
My buddy Aaron and I actually competed against him back in 2004 at the Tour De Rocks.
Here was the Rig we ran.
http://www.newjo.org/NEWJO/TDR/2005/aaron_t2004.html
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We were also running Hummer bead locks that Aaron custom made to fit onto the Unimog portal axles. We ran with about 4lbs of pressure. The magnesium run flats are a neat feature.
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wow that it awesome
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nice rig
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Which one Al. the YJ or the buggy?
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i like the buggy how did you guys place? how do you get into that stuff. thats the stuff i'd like to do liketo tuff truck challenge
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the cj buggy with the portals
looks sweet
so, where are the pics, stats of your current rig? :)
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I am currently doing a frame and tub swap on my current Rig. Here are the basics:
YJ Frame
YJ Tub
CJ Nose
Chevy fuel injected Gen II, 350ci
SM 465 Tranny
Dana 300
Dana 44 front
Currently a Ford 9" rear, but I am building a Dana 44 for it.
4.11 Gears, locked front and rear.
BDS Springs 4.5 inch
TSL Super swampers on bead locks Q-78s (The ones that I am selling)
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Hot Rod,
Getting into it is simple, you just sign up for the events. We would find out about them thru the clubs we wheeled with in NH and Maine. I think we placed 6th in that one, but it was a long time ago. The buggy is Aaron's (The motor actually came out of one of my Jeeps) he built it from scratch with help from a few of us.
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wow cool. if you hear of one, i sure would like to give it a go, the only thing lacking, is winch and i am running on 33's. not 35's
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I understand that the practicality of it is not what most would call "Wheel-able" but where I come from the bigger the tire the more fun you have...
Now don't get me wrong for tight trails as in the ones in CT, correct it's not a good idea unless you're doing a full tube w/ rear steer. However, I don't plan on living in CT again. The only reason my jeep is still there is I had no where to put it while I was over here and couldn't get it back to Illinois. So, Dauntless let me stick it at his house. Once again, Thank you for the concern, but the tire size is just a starting point... it could go up to 46's it could go down to 38's. the measurements and explaination was for best case. Once the measurements and math is done I will better know what tire size is feasable while still being a fully capable rig. The 350 gives me plenty of power to do pretty much whatever I want underneath with the axles as far as gearing/tire size, so I have tons of slop there. The rest is just getting it to look and handle the way I want it too. Roger the fact that there are not a whole lot of 40+ rigs in CT but that just means that the ones rolling and wheeling tires that big, have just gotten around the laws and are assisting in the changes that most states need to be able to enjoy our sport/hobby/life to the fullest extent possible. By rolling down the road, not driving like an ass, no matter the tire size, on any type of mud tire or "aggressive tread" you are waving you "colors" that you are into wheeling or at least "thinks it looks cool". The things that Toxic has been doing for a long time are the paper/admin side the rest of us have been doing the ignorant side (not saying in a bad way).... like in CT... can anyone tell me the allowed lift to be placed on a vehicle? How many inches can you LEGALLY raise the sprung portion of your vehicle? And how many of us are over that? I run Louisiana plates to get around it.... in LA, the height law is 72" to the tail light. How about motor swaps... anyone know the requirements for motor swaps in CT? how about must be newer than the vehicle it is being placed in.... also it had to be an option in that model. Once again, LA no requirement.
Now, mind you when completed I will probably not drive Sarah on a daily basis, but she will still be driven... Why build a truck or a jeep if you're not gonna drive it? Just like restoring a car to never take it out of the garage... just don't make sense.
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Now, mind you when completed I will probably not drive Sarah on a daily basis, but she will still be driven... Why build a truck or a jeep if you're not gonna drive it? Just like restoring a car to never take it out of the garage... just don't make sense.
makes me want to get my KS plates back.... must have seatbelts, windshiel wipers (windshield optional), exhaust must go back further than most rearward passenger... gotta love farm country!
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it's great isn't it
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fer sure good buddy 10-4!!!
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it's great isn't it
technically.... if i rig a tank of 20 gal. or more to it with sprayer arms I could do anything...
(http://www.westtexaslee.com/Spray%20Rigs/4480-300E.jpg)
somthing like this with a yj body... ;D