Just say no to pork! Vote today!

[rocket]

here is a link to a petition against the stimulus package.  Please sign it if you belive that real "change" is not wasting our money on "pork", for companies who have poor business practices, growing the government until america is dependent on it for daily substinance!
http://www.countryfirstpac.com/petition/economic.aspx

[Axle]

Done

[calvynandhobbs]

Done

[Seabee_BUC]

Done!

[Swagger]

done

[kirksjeep]

Done

[BayouGold]

ditto

[PaulW]

i don't see why the stimulas package is so bad.  they just passed the bill that allows you to write off your loan interest and sales tax on all new vehicle.  i think that's a good idea.

[Axle]

It doesn't support small business or put money in your pocket.  You won't see money like you did last time.  The things it goes to aren't necessarily bad, except the banks and businesses in financial trouble.  This money that is mostly going to bail out banks and businesses is borrowed money, not from our treasury.  That means we (us and our children) will owe this money for years to come.  That means that when the economy turns around, good ole bama is going to hike your taxes.  All of them, and tremendously!!!  Also, along with this bailout money, there are many strings attached for the companies that use them.  For one, banks that accept this money will basically be giving the government a controlling share of the bank.  This will allow the government to use those "strings" to make policy decisions for those banks.  That is called "Socialized Banking", and it is what has happened in Europe.  The second major problem is that the same thing will basically happen to any business that accepts the money.  Only this time, this will affect that businesses share holders.  The government will have a majority share in that business.  There are two types of share holders... regular, and "premium".  The government will be the "premium" share holder, which means it will get the most dividends first, and the regular share holders will get the rest, if any.  That will basically push regular share holders away from the market, or at least those troubled businesses, giving the government even more control. 

The bottom line, and the scariest thing, is that adding government to a free market keeps it from being a free market.  The Democrats in the white house, whether intentional or not, are moving this country closer and closer to socialism.   

[PaulW]

It doesn't support small business or put money in your pocket.  You won't see money like you did last time.  The things it goes to aren't necessarily bad, except the banks and businesses in financial trouble.  This money that is mostly going to bail out banks and businesses is borrowed money, not from our treasury.  That means we (us and our children) will owe this money for years to come.  That means that when the economy turns around, good ole bama is going to hike your taxes.  All of them, and tremendously!!!  Also, along with this bailout money, there are many strings attached for the companies that use them.  For one, banks that accept this money will basically be giving the government a controlling share of the bank.  This will allow the government to use those "strings" to make policy decisions for those banks.  That is called "Socialized Banking", and it is what has happened in Europe.  The second major problem is that the same thing will basically happen to any business that accepts the money.  Only this time, this will affect that businesses share holders.  The government will have a majority share in that business.  There are two types of share holders... regular, and "premium".  The government will be the "premium" share holder, which means it will get the most dividends first, and the regular share holders will get the rest, if any.  That will basically push regular share holders away from the market, or at least those troubled businesses, giving the government even more control. 

The bottom line, and the scariest thing, is that adding government to a free market keeps it from being a free market.  The Democrats in the white house, whether intentional or not, are moving this country closer and closer to socialism.   

thats the simplest,. but most efficent explanation yet.  thanks

[rocket]

i don't see why the stimulas package is so bad.  they just passed the bill that allows you to write off your loan interest and sales tax on all new vehicle.  i think that's a good idea.

I dont' know you, so don't take this too personaly.  If you are not against it, you don't know anything about it and/or what true stimulus is.  This bill is so full of "pork" like money for STD prevention, building renovation, projects that will take years to get started and only last a finite period of time (roads, bridges, building renevations, etc), research grants, abortion money for mexico, money for "the arts," and on, and on, and on.  There is no real item of stimulus in this bill.  We don't have the money to pay for this, so it will mean higher taxes at some point which hurts the economy.  To help out the economy, cut taxes all across the board.  Regan did it, and the economy was the best peace-time economy in our history!  If we divide up the 870 BILLION amongst all indiviuals (not just tax payers), we each would get $3000, thats every man, woman, and child.  If only divided up amongst tax payers, about 5-6 grand each.  if every tax payer got 5 grand, it could fix most of the economy: thoes behind on morages can catch up, everyone else will spend or invest it which will bost the economy.  It won't fix it, but it will do a lot better than borrowing money to add solar cells to schools or buy condoms for idiots.

If you have the thoght process of, "it sounds good, i'm for it" then you are just like all the idiots who voted for nobama and contributed to the socialism of the USA.  Go to www.heritage.org and read up!

[PaulW]

   WTF

[rocket]

  WTF

what are you refering to?  specific questions, please

[PaulW]

  WTF

what are you refering to?  specific questions, please

Just a general head scratcher WTF question there.

[rocket]

Here is a synopsis of the "porkulous bill"

Provisions of the bill that many legislators are questioning:

$1 billion for Amtrak, which hasn’t earned a profit in four decades.

$2 billion to help subsidize child care.

$400 million for research into global warming.

$2.4 billion for projects to demonstrate how carbon greenhouse gas can be safely removed from the atmosphere.

$650 million for coupons to help consumers convert their TV sets from analog to digital, part of the digital TV conversion.

$600 million to buy a new fleet of cars for federal employees and government departments.

$75 million to fund programs to help people quit smoking.

$21 million to re-sod the National Mall, which suffered heavy use during the Inauguration.


$2.25 billion for national parks. This item has sparked calls for an investigation, because the chief lobbyist of the National Parks Association is the son of Rep. David R. Obey, D-Wisc. The $2,25 billion is about equal to the National Park Service’s entire annual budget. The Washington Times reports it is a threefold increase over what was originally proposed for parks in the stimulus bill. Obey is chairman of the House Appropriations Committee.

$335 million for treatment and prevention of sexually transmitted diseases.

$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts. $4.19 billion to stave off foreclosures via the Neighborhood Stabilization Program. The bill allows nonprofits to compete with cities and states for $3.44 billion of the money, which means a substantial amount of it will be captured by ACORN, the controversial activist group currently under federal investigation for vote fraud. Another $750 million would be exclusively reserved for nonprofits such as ACORN – meaning cities and states are barred from receiving that money. Sen. David Vitter, R-La., charges the money could appear to be a “payoff” for the partisan political activities community groups in the last election cycle.

$44 million to renovate the headquarters building of the Agriculture Department.

$32 billion for a “smart electricity grid to minimize waste.

$87 billion of Medicaid funds, to aid states.

$53.4 billion for science facilities, high speed Internet, and miscellaneous energy and environmental programs.

$13 billion to repair and weatherize public housing, help the homeless, repair foreclosed homes.

$20 billion for quicker depreciation and write-offs for equipment.

$10.3 billion for tax credits to help families defray the cost of college tuition.

$20 billion over five years for an expanded food stamp program.